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The One Veteran user 325 Posts |
Here's the problem for me... There was something obviously VERY wrong with Lim's idea of how to present o product to the community. This is something he admitted.
Doesn't that mean he is supposed to reassess how to do this? Or did he already figure this out in like... a day. Also, wasn't he supposed to be busy going to vegas or something? Not trying to beat a dead horse, just making sure it (the previous problem) is dead.
I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end...
I came here... To tell you how this is going to begin. |
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brehaut Inner circle kentucky 2531 Posts |
Never have a problem with someone posting a thread. Rather error on the side of sharing information than not.
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Shinlimmagic New user 13 Posts |
Hey guys,
The reason why I only had 1 production was because it was a teaser. It's meant to create hype. And yes, I used epic music only because it's part of my character and who I am, and I can't help it. In IV, there's going to be a collection of moves that have to do with production of cards like RUS Andrews has stated previously, and no, this is not a bunch of moves I decided to put together in 2 weeks to get a quick buck out of. I've been working on these moves for 4 years and I think are read to be released. In terms of credit I have asked Eric Jones, Mike Hankins, and Jason England and many others about credit and originality, and it's passed through all of them. So yes, I did my homework this time. As for my trip to Vegas, I'm leaving on Sunday and I'm practicing like crazy right now, and decided to just take a break and read some magic stuff, in which I stumbled upon this thread. I was actually going to release the 2nd Teaser on Sunday, the day I leave for Vegas, but especially for you guys, here's an Unlisted link to it. There are more productions that should give you a feel of what IV will consist of. Remember, this is a teaser, not a full trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boRliSKG0dk Enjoy, Shin Lim |
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JeremyM0411 Special user Moody, Alabama 608 Posts |
What is the release date going to be Mr. Lim????
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Shinlimmagic New user 13 Posts |
No idea. I might release it sometime while I'm in Vegas. Definitely within the month of December
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Good luck in Vegas Shin
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Looks to close to shoot out by adam dadswell to me.
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ChadRees Regular user Tucson, AZ 190 Posts |
Quote: On 2011-12-02 04:13, Alan Rorrison wrote:
RIP The Daily Deception
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KyleMacNeill Inner circle 2757 Posts |
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On 2011-12-02 06:27, ChadRees wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJuQnFariSI - Shootout by Adam Dadswell http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla......lRExgXzc - IV by Shin Lim They look different to me IMO Kyle |
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ChadRees Regular user Tucson, AZ 190 Posts |
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On 2011-12-02 06:50, KyleMacNeill wrote: Just because he is doing it on the width of the deck does not make it different. I do this same move but with a blue deck, should I publish that?
RIP The Daily Deception
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
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On 2011-12-02 07:23, ChadRees wrote: Only if you can come up with a catchy name, some movie score quality music, and a 22 second teaser. I'll suggest The Blue Butterfly as a name. |
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
I own shoot out.. this looks the same...
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1666 Posts |
"IV" does look very similar to "Shootout" by Adam Dadswell. More than likely a case of independent creation. However, the smart thing for Shin to do would be to delay the release until he has spoken to Adam about this matter.
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
ANOTHER independed by Mr lim... Call me skeptical.
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
You can if you have proved the method is different. I would not say it is same when I have not seen the method. there are tons of sleights looks the same but in a different method.
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KyleMacNeill Inner circle 2757 Posts |
Indeed, I also own Shootout and don't remember it being like that, I may be wrong, please check with Adam, Shin!
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Shinlimmagic New user 13 Posts |
Alright guys, so I looked at your replies, and yes, I did contact Adam Dadswell even before this thread came up. Trust me, I've done my homework, and I've asked A LOT of people about crediting and originality. Yes, I will be giving Adam his due credit, even though the move and method is different, and I will be giving Mike Hankins, Erdnase, and Howie Swarzman as well. Just another note; the one card pop out move was an independent creation from Adams, so in no way am I trying to copy anybody or steal anybody's move. All I'm trying to do is to make variations and come up with better ways to make a card shoot out from a deck of cards(in my case it is in the action of squaring up the deck which makes it a very natural movement.)
Alan Rorrison= I'm a huge fan of your work, especially Smoke, and it was such a big inspiration which actually inspired me to create my whole FISM act based on that single effect, which has now won me many competitions and allowed me to travel to many places abroad. I want to thank you personally for giving me this inspiration and determination. I only say this because it hurts when I see someone I look up to tear down a trick I've been working on for 3-4 years now. If you want, just PM me on FB and I can send you a private and unlisted link to my act. Thanks to all for bringing this up, but I've already covered Adam Dadswell and have emailed him and called him. SHin |
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1666 Posts |
Thanks for clarifying this issue Shin. One of the problems with actively encouraging hype is that it is not always positive, you have to take the rough with the smooth! I'm pleased to hear that you've taken greater care with your crediting regarding this project and think that this should be applauded.
Maybe we should also be a little slower in shouting "thief" next time . Best of luck with this project. Marty |
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brad12d3 Special user 526 Posts |
Hey Shin,
So the whole Splice fiasco is still fresh on everyone's mind, so inevitably there are going to be some negative reaction. However, this type of thing does happen with other releases during the speculation process after an announcement is made. There will always be the good and the bad no matter who you are. I know you want to get past all the bad vibes, and you will. Just keep moving forward and address the issues people raise the best you can and things will eventually settle down. You are talented and everybody knows that. There's no reason why you can't be a top creator in the magic community. As long as you keep being open and honest like you have on this thread, then you will be very successful with your releases. Look forward to see what you have to show us in the future! Good luck in Vegas! |
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dadswell New user 42 Posts |
Hi Guys/Shin,
I did receive an email from Shin (3 Days ago) but I have not had chance to reply just yet. I did however manage to quickly watch the trailer Shin sent me and the only obvious difference I can see is that the deck has been rotated. Shin tells me that the method is different so I would like to know how. Unfortunately I cannot re-watch the trailer I was sent as it has now been removed. I am a good friend of Alan R's and as I am mega busy at the moment he will keep me in the loop with this. Adam
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