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If you have a memorized deck on the table, you can ask the person to name any card. Every once in a while, the person will name one of the top 3 cards or one of the bottom two, so that you can produce it virtually instantly. Any ideas for patter to go along with that? Or do you think it is better to just stay silent?
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On 2011-12-09 06:55, prg wrote:
If you have a memorized deck on the table, you can ask the person to name any card. Every once in a while, the person will name one of the top 3 cards or one of the bottom two, so that you can produce it virtually instantly. Any ideas for patter to go along with that? Or do you think it is better to just stay silent?


Hi prg,

The best answer IMHO is do what best suits your performance style. Given your scenario each approach is equally valid. And, even if you are a performer who patters a lot, sometimes a silent denouement is actually stronger.

If your mem deck permits it, you could have some of the most frequently named cards already IN position - QH, AS, etc. If you hit, you have a miracle (remember to make your shuffles VERY convincing) and if you miss, the nature of a mem deck allows for virtually limitless "outs."

No matter what the patter or no patter, the strongest finish would again IMHO occur by allowing the spectator to reveal the card! Imagine for instance that you have just completed a series of shuffles and cuts and you ask a spectator to name a card. You pause for a beat, then quietly say, "turn over the top card." The card is the card they named AFTER you placed the pack on the table! Having more frequently named cards in retrievable positions increases your odds immensely. You could have two very frequently named cards at top and bottom.

Okay, about 300 other ideas are coming to me now so I had better stop here. Smile

Ahimsa,
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I'm happy to hear the other 300. Actually it isn't a bad idea to put certain cards on top or bottom, but I am not going to attempt to learn another memorized deck just for that sake. And let's say I was to put the ace of spades on top, and someone mentions that card... Is it really that exciting that they picked the most popular card and I had already pre planted it on top?
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I'm happy to hear the other 300. Actually it isn't a bad idea to put certain cards on top or bottom, but I am not going to attempt to learn another memorized deck just for that sake. And let's say I was to put the ace of spades on top, and someone mentions that card... Is it really that exciting that they picked the most popular card and I had already pre planted it on top?

Hi prg,

You are making an assumption that non-magicians would know. The point is that if you play it up, it could be strong; magic is theater. My reply was merely an attempt to answer your question. To tell you the truth, I HAVE - through some shuffles - set frequently named cards such that the spectator finds it herself after the deck is on the table: it may be reversed, it may be on top, bottom, etc. Just a bit of fun jazzing as it were and for me it has played very well but it's not something I do all the time. As to how exciting the effect would be depends upon the performer. That said, there are quite a few effects extant that take advantage of frequently named cards.

I wouldn't advise learning a new stack just for the sake of the effect you describe prg, and in fact I had written "if your stack permits."

But who can really say what patter or lack thereof works for you except for you?

Ahimsa,
prg.
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Thanks. It is hard to know what to say in the event you really.hit it right. Sometimes I think it is gilding the lily to emphasize what just happened by using words, so it's better just to be quiet and let them realize what an amazing thing happened. But then some people aren't impressed unless you emphasize the fact that they should be impressed.
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I like giving the spectator credit by saying "How did you know?" or "You must be psychic." In actual fact the audience knows that it's you that deserves the credit.

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I also like to say "You ought to play the lottery."
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If it's the top card, I show it and say "too easy, try again".
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"Did you mess with the deck while I was out? Are you two seeing each other?"
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Three words: Cross Cut Force Smile

In my opinion this is a challenging situation. As you seem to be aware, you are now in a position to create either a stunning miracle or a complete flop, and not much in between. Because a coincidence is now your method, it may not be your best choice as a presentation. I think it mostly depends on what you were planning to do if you *didn't* hit.

Just because you got lucky doesn't mean you must change what you were planning to do. The moment may not be right for an amazing miracle. Especially if you are early in your set, you might not want to out-do your closer. If you are using your MD for gambling presentations or to emulate slieght of hand, it may not be appropriate to suddenly switch to the 'amazing coincidence' effect. It may be better to ask in which hand the chosen card should fall, and use second deals or bottom deals to make it happen.

If, however, you were going to do a pass and bring the card to the top anyway, then you are a step ahead but really have no reason to change your presentation.

If you want to build it up into a miracle, then consider whether you want things to appear as if this happens all the time to you, or it's a unique coincidence even for you. Should they believe you made it happen? If so should it appear as psychological influence, their own ESP, or sleight of hand?

You have basically every possible avenue of presentation available to you in this moment, but I think it's very important that you choose something that fits within the paradigm that you are already working.

In the specific case of the AS, I personally would say "You know that's a very popular card and I don't want anyone leaving tonight thinking 'Well everyone chooses that one!' Would you like to change your mind or are you truly happy with the AS?" Then if they do change their mind, just do whatever you were planning. If not, you're safe from that particular accusation. I also might palm the AS off and locate the 8S as if I had misheard them. When they say 'No I wanted the Ace', then I apologise and say "Too bad, because that was amazing! Let's try something with the Ace then. I won't touch the cards, why don't you pick them up and give them a shuffle..." By that time the AS is already in my wallet or wherever I want it to be.

Hope those ideas help!
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