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Richard Kaufman
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A local Tenyo collector came over to my place the other day and was buying some dupes. We got into a discussion about Tenyo items in general.

I really don't care about having an item sealed in the package: I want it open, loose, so I can play with it and enjoy the trick, possibly perform it for people. Why do I want or need a trick sealed in the package?

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Richard, I agree with you. As long as the tricks are in pristine shape and instructions are there, The rest is just "fluff". Why not play with it as it was intended to use and perform for people. Life is too short to worry about whether or not these will become "museum relics" and valuable. Enjoy the moment and the ingenuity behind some of these great marvels of magic by performing these and getting the real enjoyment that these will bring to other people.
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The main reason for me to buy unopened tricks is for trading or selling them, simple as that. For some collectors having a 'sealed' version is important - and I have to admit I too try to keep one 'unopened, spare' of some tricks, but those are mostly tricks that are either very rare (like Ultra Tube, Mirage or Floating Lady) or will sooner or later brake or don't work fluently anymore (like Blue Christal (my first one doesn't work anymore, the gimmick gets stuck) or Ninja Experiment (the black tissue will tear/ have 'holes' in it after putting pencils through it several times)).

I really don't care for myself about the packaging itself, though the last couple of years I open the package very carefully and keep it. When I first started collecting Tenyo I just threw the package away because it didn't have value or so I thought at the time Smile
From what I'v heard there's even a Swedish collector that NEVER opens Tenyo tricks, he just leaves them in the package. He doesn't even know the secrets behind a lot of those tricks!
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I think some people trust buying the trick more if it is still unopened--they know they're getting all the parts, instructions, it's not scratched, etc. I agree, however, if it can be shown that everything is included and in good condition, I would rather get a good deal on an opened "used" trick. Same reason I don't buy new cars anymore...
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Paradoxically, a new sealed package can actually work against you. Take for example T-114 Wonder Window. If the package had been opened I would not have been stuck with a non-functioning version. The only time that I find sealed important is with any trick which uses cards in its operation. Often times cards will have a fade-out colour loss & general crispness degradedness if exposed to air for too long.

As a side note to Killertweety, I solved the tissue loss of T-132 The Ninja Experiment by blunting or rounding-off the pencil lead tips. It was the pristine sharp points which tended to hook the fabric. I hope it helps Mate.
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I guess if you are going to go into full-geek mode, you should try and acquire two of each effect you purchase...one to work with and one to put away.

Yes, it's insane. And yet, Tenyo, in my oh-so-humble opinion, has entered the realm of the global collectibles...those items like comic books, sports cards, action figures, Hot Wheels, Happy Meal toys...etc. You get the idea.

Tenyo effects are special. They are magical, so you want to play with them, and perform with them. Yet, the manufacturer deliberately releases a limited, annual amount to encourage ongoing sales, so you want to save them. Cherish them. Collect them. And protect them.

We can't win here folks. Tenyo has us by the magical balls, and knows it.
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Richard Kaufman
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I used to have at least two of virtually everything except the impossible-to-find four or give T numbered items.
I sold all the sealed stuff and kept one open piece (except for Mirage and Wonder Window, where I kept several open ones because they break easily). I'm happier now. Smile
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Hi Richard, great to see you here in the Tenyo section. On behalf of other Tenyo fans here thanks for the great Tenyo articles and profiles Genii has done over the years! Any chance of having a Tenyo section or talk or display at the Genii Bash in October?

Cheers,

John
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John, that never occurred to me, but it might be a good idea!
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On 2012-01-09 17:09, Richard Kaufman wrote:
John, that never occurred to me, but it might be a good idea!


Richard,

What we really need from you is a COMPREHENSIVE KAUFMAN PUBLISHING EFFORT for Tenyo!!

It would be very nice to have a book compiled with an exhaustive coverage of Tenyo history, a price GUIDE (no further expectation) and one documenting the numerous variations for each trick where applicable.

Tenyo has a large enough following and a long enough history to warrant such a publication.

It would sell better than you might think I would imagine.

Best,

Tom
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I thought about doing a book like that years ago when my collection was still intact. It would be quite a large undertaking and I'm not sure the sales would justify the large amount of work and the expense. I would need to be printed in color, which is very expensive. The book should rightfully be done by the Tenyo Company itself.
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I would prefer a mint in package trick because I can be assured that it is factory fresh.

But for some of the older tricks I will consider buying them opened because they are so much more affordable.

I open and play with/perform all my Tenyo tricks so sealed in package is not a priority, but them being complete and in new condition is.

I just purchased more than a few opened Tenyo tricks and I am hoping that they will be to my liking. If they are then I will by more in this manner. If they are not, then I will buy new in package or do without if the packaged trick is too expensive.

Having said all that, does anyone have the following Tenyo tricks opened but in new condition:
Parabox
Mini Zag
The Haunting
Krazy Keys (I lost my gimicked Krazy Key)
Ultra Tube
Fantastica
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I even have mint Krazy Keys and Fantastica... Smile

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Two more Tenyo tricks I am looking for in opened but in new condition:
Billscape
Menta Marvel

I am probably forgetting some others.
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I am looking for sealed, mint, Trisector, Mystic Scope, Moonspinner, ESP T158 Menta Marvel, T66 Occult Board, Disappearing Cards, Wow Card Transformation, T151 Wild Wallet, Ninja Experiment, Mystery China Box, T157 Transpavision, Mini Zag T141, T133 Bare Bones,T164 Metal Matrimony, T112 Eclipse.

Thanks Smile.
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PM me for a mint Metal Matrimony!
Also tell me where to find a bunch of mint Ninja Experiments... Smile
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On 2012-01-09 18:28, Richard Kaufman wrote:
I thought about doing a book like that years ago when my collection was still intact. It would be quite a large undertaking and I'm not sure the sales would justify the large amount of work and the expense. I would need to be printed in color, which is very expensive. The book should rightfully be done by the Tenyo Company itself.


Kaufman + Tenyo...OMG! I believe I just wet myself. I so wish that could happen. If I was rich, I would sponsor such a project, just for the historical value. Wow.
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Thanks.

Another issue in doing a book about the Tenyo Company is that you would need the permission of the company itself since it owns the rights to all of the designs of the props, as well as all the artwork for the packaging and all the instructions, illustrations, and so on. I'm not saying that they would have anything against such a project--I've never asked.

There's also the sticky wicket about making value judgments about some of the tricks because a number of the creators still work at the company and you can see where an independent critique might not be looked upon favorably.

The book would also need to be printed in color--another obstacle because of the cost.
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On 2012-01-17 21:43, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Thanks.

Another issue in doing a book about the Tenyo Company is that you would need the permission of the company itself since it owns the rights to all of the designs of the props, as well as all the artwork for the packaging and all the instructions, illustrations, and so on. I'm not saying that they would have anything against such a project--I've never asked.

There's also the sticky wicket about making value judgments about some of the tricks because a number of the creators still work at the company and you can see where an independent critique might not be looked upon favorably.

The book would also need to be printed in color--another obstacle because of the cost.


Richard,

As I suggested earlier, I highly encourage you to take this project on. The value of such a book would far exceed any monetary gain but I do think it would sell better than you think. I realize few people know the publishing business the way you do, but I think this book would surprise even you! The book would need to be translated to Japanese, which in my humble opinion, would be the tallest obstacle.

Price guides are GUIDES and nothing more. If you base your prices on auction closings excluding shill bids and outliers, you could get very close to accurate pricing.

The book would be a bear, but someone has to do it!

If Tenyo worked with some folks that we all know on Tenyo Elite, I can't see why you couldn't author an incredible book. An illustrative history...
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Does anyone know how many of each trick Tenyo produces each year. That would give you a good idea on the possible audience for a Tenyo book.
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