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Harry Lorayne
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"4) If someone treats me badly or irritates me, I will take the high road and leave them alone. Neither will I post comments that are designed to antagonize them." (Agonize THEM?!?)
I know that, perhaps, Steven has been insulted on the forum, but I wonder how many, really, who "pledge" for #4 have been personally insulted as I have in the deleted forum, and quite a few others over the years. Just check it out. Then think about whether or not you'd respond. Perhaps not. But that's not the nature of this beast. I've written about it often enough. I was brought up with bullies. I realized that if you didn't "hit back," you'd be bullied forever. Not only that - I honestly believe that these bullies should NOT be ignored. Sorry, just my opinions about my PERSONAL attitudes. HL.
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Sorry, Opine Traveler, I tried. Just read my post above, the one you copied. How many times have YOU been insulted by these "lovelies"? If you haven't, how can you, in any way, judge my feelings? Just curious. HL.
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I'm not judging your feelings, Harry; I'm just suggesting that some decisions work better than others.
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Absolutely right, Opine Traveler. I've tried to explain about MY feelings.

Incidentally, the thread that was supposedly deleted, hasn't been. I just saw it - even RESPONDED to Mr. Stevie. Yes, he's still there.
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I agree with the pledge; although I had to think a bit about the first point. All too often some of us wish to find out the history of an effect; and then an unprincipled argument between two parties ensues over credits. But overall, I do agree with the pledge (especially as credit disputes are to be left to other sections), and hope that it will clear a bit of the air.
As an aside, it has always bothered me to see the disrespect thrown at some of our VIPs. It's so easy on the internet to hurl insults. So...many many thanks Steven for the pledge. Lynn
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I have not and will not name any specific forum members in this thread. But anyone who reads what I've written and thinks I'm writing about them might take a moment to consider why they see themselves in my comments.
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I'll save you folks some time.

The thread bblumen has referenced is one in which he makes accusations towards Harry Lorayne.

SEY
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...and has already been removed.
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This thread was my idea and I demand proper credit!

PS - Count me in!
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On 2011-12-20 19:48, Steven Youell wrote:
I'll save you folks some time.

The thread bblumen has referenced is one in which he makes accusations towards Harry Lorayne.

SEY



I thought you were not going to respond to my posts any further?

I didn't accuse Mr. Lorayne of anything in my vanished post. I only quoted what has already been written.


Brian
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One of the difficulties in threads concerning Harry, is that his personal threshold for viewing a comment as an insult is incredibly low. For example, one could express a view that they prefer some handling of an effect better than that described by Harry - and instead of taking this as a perfectly valid viewpoint that widens the understanding of all, he'll take it as an attack, and will do his utmost to narrow the field of vision to his own domain. He'll start referring to the comment as an insult, and start referring to the person themselves (repeatedly) as an idiot. Little wonder, then, that such threads rapidly go downhill. No amount of "Workers Pledges" is going to change this.
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What a great ezample of the "big lie" theory the above Stevie's post is. Untrue, wrong, a big lie, insulting, and etc.
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Well, if it's untrue, I apologise. But it's how I have observed things progressing in threads. If you can prove this wrong going forward, then maybe this particular thread has achieved at least that (and perhaps more).
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It's probably too late for this, but it would be nice -- for reasons that should be obvious -- if this one thread in all of the Workers' forum, in all of the Magic Café, would not become about any specific person or persons, would not spiral down the tubes in yet another clash of opposing egos.

Just this once, in this single thread, could we not have that? If you must hash this stuff out, use PM. If you absolutely have to do it publicly, use another thread.

If you can't or won't agree to the pledge, don't use this thread as another venue for old, personal battles. At least let the rest of us pretend this forum is not beyond saving.
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OK - I'll agree to that, and I apologise to Harry if what I said came across as overly harsh or, indeed, unfounded. It was only based on my observations, which may or may not be correct, and so seemed relevant to the topic. It's probably something that also applies to all of us, and is a reminder too that words written down are often easily misinterpreted.
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On 2011-12-20 17:49, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Sorry your entire thread has been deleted, Andrew. After all, it was about a trick of mine, so it fed my ego a bit. It is wrong for the entire thread to be deleted. I think just the put-down posts about me and mine and of course my responses should be deleted. That would make much more sense, because then, possibly some posters or just readers would learn about a trick that they might find great for them - or not - read an interesting thread about MAGIC, not about "jealousies" that have nothing to do with the original post. But it'd be their choice. I thought that was the point of this forum, or any forum.

Now, let me talk about this thread a bit - the "pledge" idea. I think it's kind of obvious that I am the one that the people who come in and "ruin" a thread come after. I have no idea why - and that's why "jealousy" comes to mind. But, here's the point - it's, oh, so easy for everyone to say "I'm in," when they are not the ones who are being insulted by some of those who "ruin" threads by insulting ME. I wish you would go over some of the insults to me and think about how you'd feel if they were aimed at YOU. (These insults, attacks, I'm talking about are usually by the same people - like those in the thread that was deleted. Seems as if it'd make more sense to just DELETE THEM.) Would you still "pledge" if those same people "came after you"?

I'll make my own, individual, pledge - I pledge to never, ever, IN ANY WAY, insult anyone unless they INSULT ME FIRST. Is that so wrong? I pledge to NEVER, EVER, start these kinds of sillinesses unless it starts ABOUT ME FIRST. It's always been interesting to me that those who advise me to "just ignore" these terrible people, "just lie back and enjoy it," are never the ones that are being insulted, etc. Think about it before you so quickly agree that I'm in the wrong. Best - Harry L.


If I were in your position, I wouldn't care if others insulted me. Being that you have written books, appeared on TV, and associated with big names in magic, I'd say your name speaks for itself

To be honest, I'm a it surprised that comments get to you. I would imagine that these sort of things would get to people with something to prove so I can't imagine that someone in your position would have the need to defend their name. That's a good thing Mr Lorayne
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It's my Lower East Side - experience with bullies - background, MagicDr., can't help it. Thanks for the kind words. HL.
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If any one else wants to put the pledge in your signature just go to your profile and copy and paste this into your signature:

I took the BRACKETurl=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=446374&forum=2&38CLOSEBRACKETPledgeBRACKET/urlCLOSEBRACKET

Just replace BRACKET and CLOSEBRACKET with actual brackets. I tried to disable BBCode for this post so I could just print the actual code but it didn't work.
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