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On 2012-01-22 23:01, BillMcCloskey wrote:
The 10,000 hour rule was based on a book by Malcom Gladwell. Personally I don't buy any of Malcom's theory's but it is a widely accepted and you can read his ideas on this in his latest book...

Spontaneous Generation was once widely accepted too. Widely accepted does not mean it's true. Did Malcom have any scientific evidence to back up his theory?

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On 2012-01-22 23:01, BillMcCloskey wrote:
The 10,000 hour rule is based on the time it takes to master a subject, not a part of the subject.

I am not impressed with Malcom's thinking ability. So he studied ALL subjects? Magic, Medicine, Physics? ANY of them can be mastered within 10,000 hours? I find it difficult to believe that one can become a Board Certified Brain Surgeon in 10,000 hours.

How did Malcom define "Master"? Surely he went through every subject on earth and discovered the most amazing fact ever: it takes just as much time to master Brain Surgery as it does to become a Card Trick Master.

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On 2012-01-22 23:01, BillMcCloskey wrote:
So to be a master at magic, one would spend 10,000 hours on it (not on each sleight). Therefore, practicing 2 hours a day, it should take you 13 year to be a master at magic.

Bill-- you and I both know that's B.S. We've both known guys who have practiced a few hours a day for 25 years and STILL suck...! Smile

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On 2012-01-22 22:03, BillMcCloskey wrote:
French,

Let me illustrate what I mean. I've spent the last few hours building a web site the will eventually house a record of every trick, effect, slight, book, DVD, magazine I own, all cross referenced and clickable. It will include my own transcriptions and notes of every book I own. I think eventually, this will be an amazing resource for me. It takes time to do that, but the value to me is inestimable.

Now let's look at the the drip drip drip of time. They say it takes 10,000 hours of diligent practice to become a master at something.

Let's imagine you have 2 hours a day to devote to magic. You sleep 8 hours, you work 8 hours, you have a personal life and if you can scrape together two solid hours of magic time in a day, I'd say you are doing pretty good.

Now let's look at the time taken up posting on this forum. I'll use your posts as an example but again, nothing against you, just to illustrate how much time it takes up.

Let's be generous and say each post represents 10 minutes: you have to logon, read the other posts, respond, maybe check out some books for sale, etc. But each post represents on average 10 minutes of your day. Let's do some rounding to make the math easier and for arguement sake lets say you posted 600 posts in a 3 month period. At 10 minutes a post, that is 6,000 minutes posting. Divide by 60 minutes and that is 100 hours of time taken up posting. At 2 hours a day, that is 50 days of your available 90 days over the last 3 months that are taken up with posting, or more than half your available magic hours are devoted to things like arguing if there should be a pledge or not and what that means, and responding to all the people who say that is foolish and all the people who think that people who say it is foolish, are foolish.

What could you do with that 50 days. Do you think that if you spent 50 out of 90 days prefecting your pass that that would be a good thing? how many great tricks do you think you could learn in that 50 days that instead you spent here?

Time drips drips drips away. and before you know it, they are nailing the coffin lid down and you still never created your OWN Triump, your own miracle. In the course of year those 50 days become 200 days. 200 days wasted out of a year posting innocuous things on this forum that could be spent building a routine, and act, a career.... a life.

And let me ask you, do you think Marlo, Vernon, anyone who you admire would be where they got to by wasting 200 days out of the year posting on magic forums?


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Blimey - all these breakdowns of time spent; now I'm beginning to lose the plot a bit!

Seriously though, do I consider the Café a waste of time? Nope - not at all. Reading it, learning from it and, where possible helping others is, in my view, time well spent.

So what do/did I consider a waste of time?
- a two hour drive to & from work; sitting aimlessly in traffic as my life ticked away.
- giving 9 hours a day to an employer that after 31 years of my loyal service, no longer gave a *** about its employees or its customers
- reading newspapers
- watching television that, in the UK, is obsessed with so-called celebrity dross
- paying disgusting amounts of income tax and VAT to a succession of incompetent governments.

So I took the pretty decent redundancy pay-off from my employer and left the rat race last Summer to turn full-time pro. And the benefits so far?
- Absolutely no stress as I no longer have to take orders from incompetent senior management; nor work hours they aren't prepared to pay me for
- I work when I want, for whom I want as I'm now my own master
- I no longer HAVE to get up at 4.30am Mon-Sat
- the only time I now get suited and booted is for shows - I can just slum around all week in jeans totally chilled
- when I do work, I now get complete job satisfaction by doing something that I adore and putting a smile on people's faces at the same time
- I spend loads more quality time with my family
- nothing whatsoever in my life has deadlines any more
- I've cut down from 40+ cigs a day to around 12
- I have loads more free time - and spend this on helping the community via the local church, swimming, tinkering around with old Mercs, etc.
- I don't have to answer to ANYONE; my life has more or less complete freedom
- yep, I may still live within the rat race but I do as much as possible NOT to be part of it nor contribute towards it. If my Wife would see sense, we'd actually be living in a Mercedes Motorhome full-time and just travelling around Europe; wild camping on beaches in the sun. Watch this space!

Most of all, I have more free time to commit to magic........and that can't be a bad thing - can it! Smile
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Bal, your finger stuck on the 'return' button mate?

Go and treat yersen to a new pooter with that redundancy pay-out.

I've now joined you as a Gentleman of Leisure and concur 100% with the above!
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- I've cut down from 40+ cigs a day to around 12

Keep going!

(I know that's not the biggest accomplishment in your list, but it's the one that most hit home for me. Well...that and the idea of living a nomad's life in an RV -- I mean caravan! Smile)
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On 2012-01-23 04:56, Roger Kelly wrote:
Bal, your finger stuck on the 'return' button mate?

Go and treat yersen to a new pooter with that redundancy pay-out.

"Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Bal, your finger stuck on the 'return' button mate?

Go and treat yersen to a new pooter with that redundancy pay-out.

"Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"


Don't confuse the ol' boy! One thing at a time. Smile

Seriously though - I agree, knocking the fags on the head (oops, sorry American brothers - cigarettes!) was quite an achievement. Five years without one now.

And a fag, come to think of it!
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Thanks for the advice chaps but its not the pooters fault - that's packed and ready for the house move - which should have been tomorrow; but I won't bore you with the abysmally incompetent solicitor tales of woe!

I'm therfore having to use my mobile phone in the interim, which is touchscreen. Unfortunately, these are designed for people with fingertips the thickness of a match. Smile
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Thanks for the advice chaps but its not the pooters fault - that's packed and ready for the house move - which should have been tomorrow; but I won't bore you with the abysmally incompetent solicitor tales of woe!

I'm therfore having to use my mobile phone in the interim, which is touchscreen. Unfortunately, these are designed for people with fingertips the thickness of a match. Smile
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See what I mean!
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You are right about the cigs FD - I now just have one on the hour mark - and if I forget, then I simply forfeit it. Don't know if I will ever give them up totally as I really enjoy a smoke but to go from 2 packs a day to around half a packet was really easy if I'm honest.
Barry Allen

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I was totally cool with this message thread until it turned into math. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count to 10,000 hours or divide by zero to determine how many hours to split between practicing magic and downloading Japanese tentacle porn. What I DO understand and appreciate is the discussion of balancing Income with Quality of Life. I'm big on establishing values-based goals and re-evaluate those frequently. You can't set SMART goals without doing a little soul searching to identify what really matters to you. I was Deputy Director of IT for the Red Cross in NYC when 9/11 occurred. I made it home twice in the first three weeks; even before that, my commute was 5.5-6 hours a day. After things settled down, I took a job at half the salary thirty minutes (with traffic!) from my home and I got five hours a day of my life back with a lot less stress - Totally worth it. I made up for some of the extra cash doing things I wanted to do (magic, directing, etc) and STILL had time left over for magic (and porn). Kudos to you who did that too!
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Nice story Joe. 6 hours commute - jeesh! And I thought commuting into London was bad!
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Thanks, Roger. I'm back working in NYC again and my commute now is three hours a day again but I have a good arrangement worked out with my understanding wife. When I was in rehearsals or a run of a show, I was catching the 11:12pm train home, arriving home after 1am, and getting on a 6:00 am train back to the city the next day. Now I have a place in NYC where I stay during the week and head home to see my wife and dogs on Friday when I don't have shows running. Again, a much more civilized Quality of Life and less arguing over the TV remote; after 23 years of marriage, she can deal with less of me Smile
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http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/gues......-expert/

More on 10,000 hours and testing the theory, which Gladwell made "famous" but did not invent.
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Just a question - where did the term 'fag' come from in the U.S. when referring to gay blokes? I haven't a clue why us Brits nickname cigs as fags but them term has been a slang word for donkeys years (whatever donkeys years are)!

Several theories here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28slang%29
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Let's start a new pledge - "I shall practice magic for at least two hours every day before posting anything on the Café."
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I vow that I will never spend any more time reading and posting on the Café than I feel like spending. Smile
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I can agree to that!
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