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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts 
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"4) If someone treats me badly or irritates me, I will take the high road and leave them alone. Neither will I post comments that are designed to antagonize them." (Agonize THEM?!?)
I know that, perhaps, Steven has been insulted on the forum, but I wonder how many, really, who "pledge" for #4 have been personally insulted as I have in the deleted forum, and quite a few others over the years. Just check it out. Then think about whether or not you'd respond. Perhaps not. But that's not the nature of this beast. I've written about it often enough. I was brought up with bullies. I realized that if you didn't "hit back," you'd be bullied forever. Not only that - I honestly believe that these bullies should NOT be ignored. Sorry, just my opinions about my PERSONAL attitudes. HL.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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Sorry, Opine Traveler, I tried. Just read my post above, the one you copied. How many times have YOU been insulted by these "lovelies"? If you haven't, how can you, in any way, judge my feelings? Just curious. HL.
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Opine Traveler Veteran user 342 Posts
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I'm not judging your feelings, Harry; I'm just suggesting that some decisions work better than others.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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Absolutely right, Opine Traveler. I've tried to explain about MY feelings.
Incidentally, the thread that was supposedly deleted, hasn't been. I just saw it - even RESPONDED to Mr. Stevie. Yes, he's still there.
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lynnef Inner circle 1399 Posts
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I agree with the pledge; although I had to think a bit about the first point. All too often some of us wish to find out the history of an effect; and then an unprincipled argument between two parties ensues over credits. But overall, I do agree with the pledge (especially as credit disputes are to be left to other sections), and hope that it will clear a bit of the air.
As an aside, it has always bothered me to see the disrespect thrown at some of our VIPs. It's so easy on the internet to hurl insults. So...many many thanks Steven for the pledge. Lynn |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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I have not and will not name any specific forum members in this thread. But anyone who reads what I've written and thinks I'm writing about them might take a moment to consider why they see themselves in my comments.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts
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"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts
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I'll save you folks some time.
The thread bblumen has referenced is one in which he makes accusations towards Harry Lorayne. SEY |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2932 Posts
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...and has already been removed.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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j100taylor Inner circle 1197 Posts
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This thread was my idea and I demand proper credit!
PS - Count me in!
Lakewood, Ohio
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bblumen Special user Baltimore 987 Posts
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On 2011-12-20 19:48, Steven Youell wrote: I thought you were not going to respond to my posts any further? I didn't accuse Mr. Lorayne of anything in my vanished post. I only quoted what has already been written. Brian
"Lulling the minds of your company is more important than dazzling their eyes." Ed Marlo
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts
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One of the difficulties in threads concerning Harry, is that his personal threshold for viewing a comment as an insult is incredibly low. For example, one could express a view that they prefer some handling of an effect better than that described by Harry - and instead of taking this as a perfectly valid viewpoint that widens the understanding of all, he'll take it as an attack, and will do his utmost to narrow the field of vision to his own domain. He'll start referring to the comment as an insult, and start referring to the person themselves (repeatedly) as an idiot. Little wonder, then, that such threads rapidly go downhill. No amount of "Workers Pledges" is going to change this.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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What a great ezample of the "big lie" theory the above Stevie's post is. Untrue, wrong, a big lie, insulting, and etc.
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts
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Well, if it's untrue, I apologise. But it's how I have observed things progressing in threads. If you can prove this wrong going forward, then maybe this particular thread has achieved at least that (and perhaps more).
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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It's probably too late for this, but it would be nice -- for reasons that should be obvious -- if this one thread in all of the Workers' forum, in all of the Magic Café, would not become about any specific person or persons, would not spiral down the tubes in yet another clash of opposing egos.
Just this once, in this single thread, could we not have that? If you must hash this stuff out, use PM. If you absolutely have to do it publicly, use another thread. If you can't or won't agree to the pledge, don't use this thread as another venue for old, personal battles. At least let the rest of us pretend this forum is not beyond saving.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts
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OK - I'll agree to that, and I apologise to Harry if what I said came across as overly harsh or, indeed, unfounded. It was only based on my observations, which may or may not be correct, and so seemed relevant to the topic. It's probably something that also applies to all of us, and is a reminder too that words written down are often easily misinterpreted.
Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
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MagicDr Regular user Los Angeles, CA 111 Posts
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On 2011-12-20 17:49, Harry Lorayne wrote: If I were in your position, I wouldn't care if others insulted me. Being that you have written books, appeared on TV, and associated with big names in magic, I'd say your name speaks for itself To be honest, I'm a it surprised that comments get to you. I would imagine that these sort of things would get to people with something to prove so I can't imagine that someone in your position would have the need to defend their name. That's a good thing Mr Lorayne |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts
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It's my Lower East Side - experience with bullies - background, MagicDr., can't help it. Thanks for the kind words. HL.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3445 Posts
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I'm In.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3445 Posts
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If any one else wants to put the pledge in your signature just go to your profile and copy and paste this into your signature:
I took the BRACKETurl=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=446374&forum=2&38CLOSEBRACKETPledgeBRACKET/urlCLOSEBRACKET Just replace BRACKET and CLOSEBRACKET with actual brackets. I tried to disable BBCode for this post so I could just print the actual code but it didn't work. |
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