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Harald New user 82 Posts 
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Having read nearly the whole thread, I am convinced Stevens initiative will not help very much, but it is a nice try, so I'm in.
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J Christensen Regular user 137 Posts
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I'm in.
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Magiguy Inner circle Seattle, WA 5445 Posts
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I'm in.
Incidentally, if you want the link in your signature to only show the actual pledge, use this: I took the BRACKETurl=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=446374&forum=2&post=7357488BRACKET Pledge BRACKET/urlBRACKET *remember to replace the word "BRACKET" with actual brackets. |
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Kingman Loyal user Willow Spring NC 294 Posts
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Well, the thought behind this is noble enough for me to include myself. I would keep this pledge without having it anyway, because that is who I am. This is a great site with many, many great resources. I love to learn from everyone as well as assist others. There is much here of great value and if agreeing to this pledge is no more than an outward sign symbolizing my respect and willingness to protect what is here, then it is a good thing.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3444 Posts
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I had thought of putting something in my signiture before to remimd myself to get to "cute" with my responces.
In another forum I noticed there was one particular guy who responded to any post as if it was polite and factual even when it wasn't. He just responded to the actual points made and ignored everything else. Contrary to what you might think it didn't make him look weak. It make the other guy look petty. Usually the other guy would just drop the stupid stuff and the conversation went on in a civil way. The thing is he didn't try to be "clever" polite. You know, where you use polite phrases to put the other guy down and pretend you don't know you are doing it. (plausible deniability). Instead he was actually polite and literaly ignored any junk as if there was a filter and he just never saw it. So, when you sense a slight, you might want to re-write the post to remove all extraneous junk and just reply to what is left. Not easy. I know. |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts
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On 2011-12-22 04:59, Harald wrote: It may start slow, but if the people who took the pledge lead by example, it will have an effect. Particularly if we do the signature thing and how about this; when we're attacked/or someone else is insulted, we post something like: Quote:
Guys, ignore this guy-- I will since I took the pledge... Strictly on a volunteer basis, of course... SEY |
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3444 Posts
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Steve, I think it would be better to just PM each other and say that. (Ignore this guy...).
If you really wan't to ignore someone you just ignore them. No need to obliquely reference them in the thread. |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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I tend to agree with Mike.
Also, I'm ignoring him.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts
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This is all a bit 'us and them' isn't it?
As I posted before, although not a pledge taker, I support the sentiment. But now the focus seems to be on 'the pledge'', and not what it represents. So often pledges go this way, and the result can be equally morally repugnant. As many have pointed out, leading by example is the way to go: some may consider it to be akin to practicing the social gospel. I hope it has a positive effect. Might I encourage users to open up crediting debates in the correct forum? That would also help. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts
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I'm so ignoring you, FrenchDrop.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2011-12-22 16:37, tomsk192 wrote: How so? Is it the sig thing? 'Cause nobody's suggested anyone has to do that. And of course no one has to agree to the pledge. I don't see it as an "us and them" thing, but rather just a way for members to acknowledge that communication in The Workers has been...troubled...and that they'd like to see it improve and will do their part to improve it. To me, the most important thing about this thread is just the acknowledgement that things are messed up in this forum -- that it's very nearly broken -- and that things could be improved with a little more emphasis on thinking before posting. Everyone who publicly says "Yeah, I agree with that" is someone who'll presumably think a little more about what they post, just to be sure it doesn't contradict anything they agreed to here. Or something. I think it's a good idea, at least. Maybe it's as overly optimistic as, say, trying to get people to discuss crediting and provenance in the designated area for those discussions (  ) -- but that's a worthwhile goal, too.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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metaljohn Loyal user Montreal, QC 280 Posts
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I've been insulted before on this forum for asking what some saw as a dumb question. I responded respectfully. I actually asked why he responded sarcastically to a genuinely innocent question. Well, my post and the insulter got deleted. I guess if ever I get insulted in the future, I'll just pretend the post never was posted.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts
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On 2011-12-22 17:07, FrenchDrop wrote Aw, shucks, your glass and mine are half full. I'm still ignoring you, though ;-) It is easy to take sides when viewing a bear fight. But I notice, thinking of several examples at The Magic Café, how very informative and pacific certain people can be when not engaged with one foe or another. My worry is concerned with the potential to alienate certain members who often contribute excellent information; I am thinking in particular of the more bookish people. It would be all of our loss if those people stopped contributing. |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts
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On 2011-12-22 16:25, MeetMagicMike wrote: Yeah-- you're probably right. Just putting the idea out there... SEY |
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3444 Posts
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Sometimes I wish the forum had a couple of buttons to ignore people:
1) Ignore this person in this thread 2) Ignore this person in all threads for one week There would also be a counter that would tell you how many people are currently ignoring you. That way people would realize they had to make their point while at the same time not ****ing every one off. I know a lot of people might want an ignore forever button but I think it should be just a week so you have to reconsider the situation. |
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MagicofDesperado Elite user 487 Posts
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Being new here I think this is a positive step in the right direction. Its pretty sad that often threads here resort to sniping and such, but frankly any field I've ever indulged in has the same amount of vitriol and personal attacks associated with what is supposed to be rational discussion of the given topic at hand.
Instead of the 10 minute aspect of the pledge, if you're going to offer constructive criticism, just keep in mind the tonality of your writing, such as offering your opinion or knowledge on the basis that as far as you know, this is what you think....versus...insinuating theft, plagiarism as the precursor to your criticism etc. Keep to the facts and personal preference clearly explained. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just express it in a positive manner so that people may derive knowledge and insight into the question or situation at hand. Like in all such matter however I think it all boils down to an old saying (paraphrasing) " For those who understand no explanation is necessary; For those who do not, no explanation possible" Dave |
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SpringBizkit Regular user 193 Posts
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Well, I barely post very much on these forums.. so im' pretty sure I can keep the pledge
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count me in tooooo! |
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Shawn Evans Loyal user 214 Posts
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I'm In!
I took the Pledge
" The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts
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On 2011-12-22 17:22, tomsk192 wrote: Could you clarify this? Are you saying that if someone has extensive knowledge of magic and great skill we should tolerate their bad behavior? SEY |
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Magiman New user 60 Posts
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On 2011-12-23 21:24, Steven Youell wrote: If you are referring to HL, definitely. The people who put up with it most, and then put down other members of this board in HL's defense can be recognized inside and around the slipcover of his new book "Special Effects." Just saying... |
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