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Synatics
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Okay, anyone else have it that people try to buy them tricks?

It's ALWAYS something you wont use in your routine any they thought it 'looked good' when the guy at the magic store showed them -.-

I hate commercial magic people that sell bad tricks to clueless punters Smile
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What does it have to do with Christmas and being young? And WTF are talking about? Seriously...
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It seems like a reasonable, if slightly odd point.
People may ask for magic stuff for Christmas (especially younger Café members). Relatives & friends may go to a magic shop, slightly clueless and be sold a pile of ****.

Perhaps the fairly obvious thing is to either clearly state what you want, or else to leave whatever it is you got in the wrapper, and to try to exchange it

Merry Christmas all
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I'm curious. What did they get you? It might be better than you thought...
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Don't complain about being young grrrr!
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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On 2011-12-26 04:30, puggo wrote:
It seems like a reasonable, if slightly odd point.
People may ask for magic stuff for Christmas (especially younger Café members). Relatives & friends may go to a magic shop, slightly clueless and be sold a pile of ****.

Perhaps the fairly obvious thing is to either clearly state what you want, or else to leave whatever it is you got in the wrapper, and to try to exchange it

Merry Christmas all


Or just be grateful. At least they bloody tried. A long time ago, I remember getting a book of "simple" self-workers. I remember feeling similar to the OP. Of course, a lot of self workers have many "problems" that "serious" sleight of hand magicians disagree with. Mr Musgrave will be thinking of "A Poker Player's Picnic" right now. Well, in some cases, with a little thought, these issues can be ironed out... and sometimes a miracle can be salvaged, or indeed, created.

I don't know exactly what you recieved, maybe you can elaborate?? Whether good or bad though, there's no need to be hostile towards the people who tried to give you a piece of magic themselves.

Zac
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Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost)
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On 2011-12-26 03:26, Synatics wrote:
Okay, anyone else have it that people try to buy them tricks?

It's ALWAYS something you wont use in your routine any they thought it 'looked good' when the guy at the magic store showed them -.-

I hate commercial magic people that sell bad tricks to clueless punters Smile



They meant well. Remember that non-mgicians have nothing by which to judge in terms of what is "good." If they want to buy you magic, you could say to them that it would be nice if the magic shop gives gift certificates or you could give the people a list of effects/books/DVDs you would like and let them choose one to surprise you. The spirit of Christmas is about giving selflessly and receiving graciously. Your friends and family and the magic dealer have no idea of your skill level or likes and dislikes.

Buon Natale,
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You are angry that someone took the time to go out of their way to buy you a gift in support of your hobby? Are you that spoiled and inconsiderate to find the non-existent down side to this? How about you take everything you own and donate it to someone who is actually in need before putting down both the effort someone put into buying you a gift AND the gift itself. Grow up.
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If you think I'm being ungrateful, you're missing the point.

My problem is that people who sell magic tricks to people that aren't sure what they want always dress things up and are never truthful about how good the trick ACTUALLY is.
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I'm not annoyed at the people who gave me the gifts. I just feel bad because they tried and I can't really use what they got me.
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On 2011-12-26 08:29, Synatics wrote:
If you think I'm being ungrateful, you're missing the point.

My problem is that people who sell magic tricks to people that aren't sure what they want always dress things up and are never truthful about how good the trick ACTUALLY is.


The written word can sometimes lack context etc. I 'got' the point you are making and did not assume you are ungrateful.
I have been into a prestigious magic shop in London and had the sales person dem me an utter stinker of a trick (IMHO).
Consider that:
-I am over 40, perform regularly, and I appreciate what can be done with simple things such as a book of self workers, a ball and tube (MagicIans)etc.

I believe that you were commenting on the stuff that may be sold to the unwitting, but caring magic gift buyer.

Threads rarely progress smoothly! Now where is Mr Youell's 'workers pledge'?!
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You are being ungrateful coming here whining and bit*hing like that.
You sound like a 13yr old crybaby with that post.

You feel bad? You sound like you are straight up angry with this nasty post. you are most likely a teen,
and if not grow up and appreciate the effort they made to try and do something nice for you.
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What did they get you?
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I got phantoms of the card table for christmas. Great present Smile
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Well Synatics the people that you are mad at at the magic shop don't know what you want either. They are simply trying to sell magic. And I'm sure what they showed the folks that thought enough to do all that to get you some magic for Christmas, Im sure they did not aim to deceive them, thought really that's what magicians do. Smile

I think how you put forth this string made people respond to you as they did, as though you are a little ungrateful twit. Perhaps you are not but that's how you came off and maybe you just got what your hand called for here more so than not. But now that you say you definitely are not "ungrateful" as it seems, maybe you could also re-think how you feel about the salesmen. You do know that a magic shop is a business, right? They don't have to hawk the stuff that's selling like hotcakes as much. But effects that might still be good and not getting out there well, those are the ones they like to demonstrate to help sales along, also the easier stuff, etc.

Anyway, I think you got a lot to think about really and as you grow you will undoubtedly understand these things better in time. George Bernard Shaw once said, "It's a shame that youth is wasted on the young." Of course I'm sure you don't think he's referring to you. We never do. Smile

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If anyone is unhappy with magical gifts that they received, they are welcome to send them to me. If it is a Tamariz book or the new Lorayne book I will even pay the shipping. ;-)
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As usual, Vlad struck it right on the head. Remember that the people buying you a gift don't always know what you want or need. But being ungrateful to sincere people hurts (them).
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On 2011-12-26 11:11, nooner wrote:
If anyone is unhappy with magical gifts that they received, they are welcome to send them to me. If it is a Tamariz book or the new Lorayne book I will even pay the shipping. ;-)


Can I borrow it when you're done?
Cheers,
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When ever I wish for magic tricks, effects and so on, I always make sure to tell them exactly what I wish for. But it's not always so easy for non magic people.
One year I longed for a peek wallet, Insted I got a fire wallet. although I did not wish for it, I had great use of it.
So perhaps you could use the item they gave you. Even if you did'nt long for it.
And remember they just tried be good and supportive.

Andrew
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Actually, I've never really had this problem. Often quite the opposite.

Generally, the only people who have bought me effects, or things from a magic shop, were family, and I either mentioned specific things, or they already had a decent idea of what I did. Granted, it probably helped that my dad was also a magician Smile

Still, many magic shops offer wish list type services for just such a reason. Also, people buying for magicians should have somewhat of an idea of how long you've been doing magic, and can at least tell the shop that, and they can then sell based on that.

All of that said, one of the better gifts I got was from a coworker for a secret santa. I don't even think he'd ever seen me do magic, but he bought me a calendar that was all classic old magic posters. GREAT gift. I still have it, years after it was useful, lol.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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