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On 2012-01-04 11:46, Tom G wrote:
I think Andrew Musgrave's posts should make it to the "sister" thread.


No need. I threw in my two cents there, and at this point have no desire to add anything more.
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My newest effect "Let's Kick A Puppy" has been shelved pending further pondering of this subject.
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Was the original post on this thread for real? Am I being punked?
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On 2012-01-04 20:18, Corbett wrote:
Was the original post on this thread for real? Am I being punked?


? you know funsway?
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I was going to say that Isaac Newton is likely turning over in his grave over Acer's comment about punching a physicist in the face. But then I realized that that it would be a mockery of the dead to suggest that he might actually flip over and face eternity butt upward.

Surely, I said to myself, there must be a better way to make a point than to suggest that a dead man assume a pose that figuratively invites the world to kiss his butt.

You never know who might have been offended.

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After reading this thread, I'm a little worried. I was talking sports with a buddy and mentioned that we killed the other team. I sure hope he didn't take me literally Smile
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On 2012-01-04 20:25, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2012-01-04 20:18, Corbett wrote:
Was the original post on this thread for real? Am I being punked?


? you know funsway?


Of course it was serious -- my feeling that some serious ethical considerations are involved.

The various posts only justify this view, methinks. Personal attacks, projections, misquotes, etc. can only come from sosme sense of guilt or sensitivity -- I have pushed a "hot button."

I have never asked anyone to agree with my view that any reference to personal violence (against another) as a solution to anything is ethically wrong -- direct, metaphorically, allegorically, humorously or folly. I posted this so that readers could consider their own ethical views with regards to comments involving suggested personal violence.

I don't really care what your conclusion is -- only that you have been "taken there" -- which is what ethical consideration is all about. Pretending to assign any other view, attitude, emotion, etc. to me is silly.

That fact that disability concerns are involved are secondary to the cultural training of accepting personal violence as "normal" -- making the allusion more terrifying, perhaps. Each person is "less than able" in some way -- and thereby afraid/protective of thier personal space and self-image. Methinks the attempts here at humor only shows the unwillingness to address this fear, or make conscious ethical decision about what you do in communication.

I keep thinking that the practice of magic should result in higher character of those involved. I watch and learn. though this thread is about ethics, none of the responders have used that term -- interesting.
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Aahhh... A Hyperbole.

That's how you get away with saying bad stuff you're thinking of doing to people with disabilities?

I see...

How 'bout this then?

That Genii writer has so little regard for common every day manners when writing about people with disabilities, that if he ever met me, he�d probably just get kicked in the balls.

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Hawking, the physicist, splits the atom.

Funsway, the writer, splits the infinitive.
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On 2012-01-05 06:18, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Aahhh... A Hyperbole.

That's how you get away with saying bad stuff you're thinking of doing to people with disabilities?

I see...

How 'bout this then?

That Genii writer has so little regard for common every day manners when writing about people with disabilities, that if he ever met me, he�d probably just get kicked in the balls.

Smile


How about this?

People who view others primarily in terms of their disability, be it physical or cerebral, rather than their humanity, shouldn't be commenting on this at all.

Stephen Hawking is a father, physicist, writer and lecturer. He also has a degenerative disease. I daresay he would understand exactly what was meant by the writer in question, and it might even please him not to be mollycoddled by faux ethics.

Whether or not this metaphor will encourage me, or others, to regard punching people in the face as morally acceptable is a question so utterly bogus that the only appropriate response would be a punch in the face, philosophically speaking.
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That fact that disability concerns are involved are secondary to the cultural training of accepting personal violence as "normal" -- making the allusion more terrifying, perhaps.

You've ratcheted the "offense" up to terrifying?

For something to be "more terrifying" it would have to have been terrifying in the first place.
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No pun intended, but look who just walked across my desktop...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04......3D125190

Lo and behold, bringing to us a comment that may easily be construed as sexist, even if just a joke.

Hmmm??? Or was that a metaphor??
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Michael-

Ironic.

I read that article this morning and thought the exact same thing. It's interesting that some of those who commented on the article actually believe that Hawking was being sexist simply because he jokingly said that, to him, women are the greatest mystery. (Just like funsway concluding that a hyperbolic humorous metaphor advocated violence against the disabled.)

Is it only me, or did the OP's rant remind anyone else of Gilda Radner's wonderful character Emily Latella?

"Oh, he didn't mean to punch cripples? Never mind"

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What truly saddens me, and I am being honest, is that any educated, intelligent person could read the quoted article more than once and still perceive it as a joke against the disabled when the significance of the subject (Dr. Hawking) was actually his status as a symbol of the study of natural "laws."

As was demonstrated in the other thread, Dr. Hawking himself approved of a depiction of himself punching another man in the face in a Simpsons cartoon episode. While this sort of humour might not entertain everyone, it is commonplace within our society and the vast majority of us recognize hyperbole or the use of exaggeration to make a point when we witness it.

This metaphor was no more an encouragement to commiting personal violence than a magician "sawing a woman in half." Do ethics forbid us from performing this type of illusion?
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Emily Latella... Ha!! No kidding.

I don't believe that any such allusions promote similar behavior. Comedy is subjective. It is also a sharp contrast to tragedy. I am a magician, I am quite fat, I am getting older, and I am still a man last time I looked, so I think I am available to become the subject of many punchlines. And the cool thing is, I don't mind being the one to deliver some of them in a self-deprecating way that says, "I accept who I am, and can laugh at myself."

Everyone has their own peculiarities, and because of the fact that not one of us is getting out of this world alive, it should stand to reason that each of us accept our obligation to play the fool on occasion. Humor is a coping mechanism that makes tragedy bearable. It keeps our moral compass level. There seems to be no shortage of tragedy, so why should comedy be stifled?

Even for the slight bit of humor intended by the magazine article's author, it was I believe, as Mr. Hawking's quip was as well, a contrast of absurdity, which is the basis for comedy.

This was not an intent to solicit violence against anyone, it was a metaphor to show the polar extremes of two points of comparison. It was simply Spy vs Spy, nothing more.

So... how about a nice Hawaiian Punch??
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In Detroit we prefer a good Faygo Punch, unless we're at a hockey game. Then we prefer a Gordie Howe hat trick...a goal, an assit and an fight.
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Are you two promoting the idea that it's acceptable to punch Hawaiian faygos? I find that offensive.
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Good.
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