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elimagic
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Hi all, I know the topic of using music from other performers has come up before, but I wanted to double deck with you all.
Ive been routining for my losander floating table.
I started listening to the music in my itunes and the song GRAVITY by john mayer came up. It fits perfectly with my routine.
However, I searched on youtube other performers of the floating table, and I say that justin willman also uses that song.
Now heres my question, am I able to use the song ethically?
The version I have actually is a acoustic cover of the song by tyler ward and sounds different(the arrangement is completely different)however its the words that work well(those are obviously the same since its a cover).
what do you all think? Ive tried contacting him and have sent him a few emails but he hasnt responded.
I don't want to break ethics here, so I'm looking forward to your responses.
Aaron Smith Magic
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I wouldn't use it. But this is just my opinion.
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I agree with Aaron and would look for another song. Landon Swank also used this song with his floating box illusion on AGT.
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In addition to what is mentioned above, please remember that any time you use a song, you MUST pay royalties to use it.

I would suggest looking at some of the royalty-free music available that is written especially for magicians and other entertainers.
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Arthur Stead is a grammy award winning musician who writes music for magicians. He can take the gravity song and tweak it so it is not in violation of any copywrite laws but still gives the sound and feel of the original song.
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I agree Royalty free music would be the way to go, or chose another song.

However, here's something puzzling. We are saying it would be best if he did not use the same music as another performer (music which is publicly available to anyone who is willing to pay the royalties). However, he can purchase the same magic effect/illusion and perform that. HUH???

(Dealers would rapidly go out of business with that one!)

B
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How do I get in touch with arthur stead? That idea of perhaps having him tweak it sounds good.

Thanks for your input everyone.
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Here's his website:

http://www.arthurstead.com

His e-mail and phone number is available there too.

Doug
Mike Maturen
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I believe Arthur might also be on the Café.

In addition, I have used music from MagiTracks. The owner is also here on the Café. I can personally attest for his stuff.
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Every time I go on his website and try to open PRODUCTS it will not open. I am using an IPad, wonder if that's the issue. any insight?
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Which site? Stead or MagiTracks?
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Is he allowed to change the music without approval from the creator?
:) Smile
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On 2012-01-04 12:14, elimagic wrote:
How do I get in touch with arthur stead? That idea of perhaps having him tweak it sounds good.

Thanks for your input everyone.


Step 1
Type this into your web browser: http://www.google.com

Step 2
Press the enter button on the keyboard

Step 3
Type this into the search box: "arthur stead

Step 4
Repeat step 2

Step 5
Double left click your mouse on the first web page that is displayed. This will take you to the correct website.

Step 6
While on the home page of the new website find the contact page and double click it. There you will find contact numbers and emails.

The web can be a scary and confusing place, hopefully that helped Smile
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On 2012-01-04 10:48, Blair Marshall wrote:
However, here's something puzzling. We are saying it would be best if he did not use the same music as another performer (music which is publicly available to anyone who is willing to pay the royalties). However, he can purchase the same magic effect/illusion and perform that. HUH???


I think about these sort of things quite a bit as well, Blair. I believe using music in a routine that someone else already uses, with the same prop and everything, would bother me. I think this situation is more about just being different, an not doing something that anyone else is doing. Kind of like when you invent a close-up effect, then find out it was published in a 1952 issue of Sphinx. And rather than scrapping the idea and coming up with something else, you decide to release it. You may have independently thought of it, and you may even have your own touches and subtleties that make it seem different enough, but at the end of the day someone else did it before you. In my opinion, this would bother me every time I performed it.
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Unfortunately, Aaron, not all performers play to the same code of ethics.
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On 2012-01-04 15:49, Dixie wrote:
Is he allowed to change the music without approval from the creator?
:) Smile


He doesn't change it, he rewrites the notes so they are different. He doesn't need approval to do that. It just that the final product ends up sounding similiar to the desired song. That is why so many songs today sound the same. If something works, the record industry beats it into the ground.
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Thanks again guys for your help, I'm going to look into him changing the tune for me
:)
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Not a fan of lyrics in the music for magic..
The music should put people in a state where what they are seeing on stage is even more unbelievable..
The lyrics in a song distract too much.. in a bad way.
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Re: please remember that any time you use a song, you MUST pay royalties to use it.

Actually Mike, that's often not correct.

Technically the VENUE has the obligation. Many that I worked which were legit theatres had blanket licenses and there are many different parameters and ways of doing it.

Keith
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The ability to use music for LIVE (not re-recorded playback) performance playback can change from country to country - musician / theatrical union to union - as Keith notes, many NA professional venues pay a blanket fee to cover playback of commercial audio (dvds, tapes, cd's, etc) - however that os based on the "original", "non edited" audio track being used - also revenue being generated from the performance of this music can enter into the process - for example in a private, corporate gig, regardless of the audience size, (no attendance tickets being sold for musical performance) I can use any cd that I have legally purchased for playback as long as it is from the cd I purchased and not re-recorded or edited in any way - purchase of legal digital audio directly from internet can be the same but allows for some grey areas to crop up - I am not an expert, but from my past experience re-recording of the music and direct profit of the sale of said music (of course music being legally purchased) really are the key.

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