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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
A pretty good article on Politifact. They do let Fox off the hook a bit and of course they totally let Obama, the department she worked for and the NAACP completely off the hook. If you're going to complain about a rush to judgement by FOX, it seems that those who forced her to resign without even allowing her to tell her side of the story deserve even more blame I would think. The Politifact article also confirms what I said in my first comment to you after bringing up the issue. Thanks for the hand!
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Actually, the Politifact article confirms that Bretibart DID release a deceptively edited tape that falsely portrayed Sherrod as a racist. It directly rebuts your assertion that my statement was a lie.
Did you somehow overlook this part of the article? How does this even remotely support your position that Breitbart's video was not selectively edited?: Quote:
But within hours, it came out that the video had been selectively edited, and the uncut version made clear that Sherrod had actually been telling the story about the white farmer to explain how she had overcome her own prejudices. Also, please advise where I complained about a "rush to judgment" by Fox. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Your first statement regarding this issue and your statement in your last post are not completely in agreement and I stand by my conclusion. However, I will explain more clearly if you will answer a question for me.
What do you suspect was the reason for the original post by Brietbart. Or in other words, what do you think he was hoping to accomplish? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
My first statement was:
"Not to forget the deliberate misleading editing Breitbart used in the Shirley Sherrod matter." You responded: "Another lie, but oh, what's the use?" The Politifact article clearly states: "But within hours, it came out that the video had been selectively edited..." The only part of what I said that is not completely in accordance with the article is the word "deliberate." I assume, then, that you are conceding that the article was selectively edited, but nonetheless contend that the selective editing was not deliberate - i.e., that it was not purposely edited to create the impression that Ms. Sherrod made racist comments. Well, according to Breitbart, he initially didn't have the full video, but just the edited clip that was sent to him by his "source." (Although he said that the "source" was in the process of sending the full video, he apparently felt no need to wait until he had seen the whole thing before releasing the misleading edited version.) Tellingly, Breitbart never claimed that he wasn't aware that the tape had been edited - only that he didn't do it. But before he even admitted having seen the full tape, Breitbart insisted that, even if it showed what Sherrod claimed, “I think the video speaks for itself. The way she’s talking about white people … is conveying a present tense racism in my opinion.” In other words, he had already made up his mind and didn't care what the full tape showed. Journalistic integrity does not seem to be one of his priorities. http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.co......hing.php Good thoughts, Bob |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
You didn't answer my question.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
What was Breitbart trying to accomplish? That was pretty well answered in his interview with TPM that I linked to - he didn't like the way the "mainstream media" was allegedly portraying the tea party as racist.
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For Breitbart, it’s all a case of the pot calling the kettle black (no pun intended). Last week, the NAACP passed a resolution asking the Tea Party movement to repudiate racism in its ranks. According to Breitbart and other conservatives, that’s the same as labeling the tea party racist — an accusation he’s railed against for months. He claims that reports of racism at a tea party protest in the final days of the health care debate, for example, are completely fabricated. Note that Breitbart made that last comment AFTER he was known to be fully aware of the contents of the unedited tape. In other words, Sherrod appears to be an innocent victim of Breitbart's desire to "get even." I predict he will not be pleased with the outcome of Sherrod's defamation suit. But, as I said, we shall see. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On 2012-01-08 22:42, mastermindreader wrote: Close, while the NAACP was acting as the arbiter of all things racist by demanding the Tea Party repudiate the alleged racists within their ranks, Breitbart intended to show their hypocrisy by showing the racists within the NAACP. His target was never Ms. Sherrod, it was the NAACP. Regardless of what else is in Sherrod’s speech, the first video features Sherrod telling a tale of racism that is received by the NAACP audience with laughter and approval. They weren’t cheering redemption; they were cheering discrimination. Upon hearing the cheers, Sherrod fails to offer any immediate clarification and even smiles right along with them. Quote:
On 2012-01-08 22:18, mastermindreader wrote: What I concede is that the video Breitbart received showed racism within the ranks of the NAACP and that is what he was attempting to do. Again, his target was never Ms Sherrod. In fact, at the end of his original article, he states, “Eventually, her basic humanity informs that this white man is poor and needs help”. So, he actually states that she helped the farmer. If she had been his targed would he have done this? If you want to talk about deceptive editing, tell me how many news stories fail to mention that he stated that in his article. Initially, the NAACP understood what he had done. They stated shortly after the video was released, “The reaction from many in the audience is disturbing. We will be looking into the behavior of NAACP representatives at this local event and take any appropriate action.” But the NAACP was in luck. This story was clearly an uncomfortable one for the NAACP and the media. So the media helped change the focus onto Ms. Sherrod and Andrew Breitbart rather than report that leaders of a state chapter of the NAACP approved of racial discrimination. Quote:
On 2012-01-08 22:42, mastermindreader wrote: Your statement seems to indicate you still didn’t get it. When he states that the video shows “way more evidence of racism”, he’s not talking about Sherrod’s racism, he’s talking about racism within the NAACP. Nothing in the following video discounted that. So, there was no deliberate misleading editing by Breitbart. And I’m not even convinced that there was any deliberate misleading editing by whoever supplied Breitbart with the video. The video showed what it needed to show, racism within the NAACP. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Here is exactly what Breitbart said- “I think the video speaks for itself. The way she’s talking about white people … is conveying a present tense racism in my opinion.”
That directly contradicts your assertion that he was only trying to show that the audience's response indicated racism in the NAACP. Like I said, I think the outcome of the case will be in Sherrod's favor. Good thoughts, Bob |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Bob, which book does Lobo keep referring to? Maybe I wanna buy it myself.
But your PM box is full. Undoubtedly it's filled with nasty political discussions. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
The book that we were talking about at most length is Steven King's "11/22/63."
But you're not allowed to buy it until you've read Harold Bloom's "Shakespeare: The Invention of The Human."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I just saw a book at the campus bookstore yesterday called "Doctor Who and Philosophy." Apparently, this is a class we offer here. Man, I wish I needed another elective. Might buy the book anyway, it was cheap for a school book.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-01-10 12:34, stoneunhinged wrote: Stone- Yes, we were talking about King's latest 11/22/63. But that's in a different thread (the one about the 1 in 99 Americans behind bars) This is the nasty political one. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I like it better as the book thread.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
We should have more book threads. But you have to do the reading.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
That sounds hard...
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
. . . . but there's no math.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
That is a plus.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
No, a plus is an addition sign.
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
All proceeds to Open Heart Magic charity. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Hey! No math!
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Books can talk these days.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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