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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-01-11 19:47, tommy wrote: I would, but with so much of our manufacturing being shipped overseas where labor is cheaper, I wonder where I might find a computer, or a cell phone, or television or iPad, or even a car, for that matter, where all of the components were made domestically. (I think I can find some American made pencils, though.) Easier said than done. |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
I hate to say it but there are at least 2 currently active threads in the NOTS forum that are dealing with symptoms of the same global disease.
The disease is global disunity. If the disease is healed, then I assure you, as if by magic, the symptoms of taxation, inequality, poor education, prejudice etc will all resolve themselves Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
The pursuit of earthly unity is a very dangerous proposition. From "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuehrer" to "l'Internationale sera le genre humain" to the dream of placing the entire world under the rule of a Vicar or Caliph of God, the path to earthly unity has invariably been littered with millions of innocent corpses. God keep us from such unity! "Let 100 flowers blossom and 100 schools of thought contend" was a much better and saner slogan (although promulgated insincerely by proponents of unity).
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-01-11 14:11, Dennis Michael wrote: They don't. Look into it. I suspect the numbers are far fewer than you think. OTOH why do so many U.S. Americans come to Canada for their pharmaceuticals, or participate in medical tourism in third world countries?
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Woland, depends on your definition of unity, but the definitions that you describe are in no way what I am implying by my post.
The definition of unity I intended with my post is a celebration of diversity. ......a bit like the different instruments in an orchestra uniting to create a beautiful symphony There are a few communities around the world that practice unity in diversity, and they abound with happy and joyous adherents. The principles need only be applied on a slightly larger scale to incorporate the global community Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Regarding "earthly unity" - How many of you remember the "Merry Minuet?" As relevant today as it was over half a century ago. This is the Kingston Trio's version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp6dsKleGpU&feature=related Good thoughts, Bob |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-01-11 18:37, mastermindreader wrote: Well as far as I can tell- In print, yes. In practice, not so much.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Bob I love the document, but some jokes would have been a refreshing twist!
I am not a big global unity guy I must say. Lets first unite our country, then we can go for a larger scale, lest as ol Abe said we shall not stand. Our founders even during the creation of our nation had heated battles and fought tooth and nail with Federalists vs Anti Federalists. It is what it is. But the idea we have been spoon fed by the people who spew forth the bile that passes for news today is toxic. The idea we must see other opinions as evil or stupid is very harmful. Now it is 24/7 and when people find an ideology they mostly agree with that is it. Not good in my opinion.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-01-11 18:53, Kevin Connolly wrote: The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (enacted after his death by LBJ) was Kennedy's most significant domestic political legacy. (You've also recommended his tax policies.) Of course there was also the Peace Corps and the Apollo Moon Project. And the inspiration provided to an entire generation of Americans. You wish these things would "go away?" |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Sure if you want to cherry pick LOL.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-01-12 11:41, Dannydoyle wrote: A thousand days really wasn't enough time to accomplish much. There is no doubt that the Bay of Pigs was a fiasco, but I (and many historians) believe it taught JFK a valuable lesson about trusting military advisers. And, yes, there were other negatives. But it was, nonetheless, an inspirational period and, to many in my generation, there was an atmosphere of patriotism, hope and confidence in the future that sadly died in Dallas. That is probably why JFK is constantly listed among the top five most popular presidents in virtually every survey taken in the last several decades. Yes, I pine for those days. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I was not alive for any of it. My historical perspective unfortunately begins with the day I was born, like all of us.
The things I read about him, the people I know who were alive then seem to indicate that aside from the extremes he was liked. I have to say that today the man would be close to a conservative from what I have read! Certainly each party has move from the positions they held back then, on this I believe we can agree? Our current president is far more left wing than Kennedy was I believe. I say I believe, simply because it is an opinion. I think there was great hope for that man in office. I think that is why the conspiracy theories exist. He touched people, even those who disagreed with him, on a different level. (Again an opinion.) I am discouraged by the future, I really am. I look at how many are in the entitlement class, how many just want want want and vote on that basis. The jealousy, the hatred, the class warfare, the scare tactics and everything that is politics today sans the ideas. People are being hearded into groups and pitted against each other for no other reason than to get money out of the process. Cue GDW with an anti government rant in 3...2...1...
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I agree with you Danny. By todays standards I believe JFK would be considered to be right of center economically although definitely a social liberal. Militarily he was a hawk.
I was 14 years old when he was shot. I proudly had a JFK physical fitness patch on my gym suit and hoped one day to join the Peace Corps. After all, he told us that the "torch had been passed to a new generation" (OURS!) and had us ask what we could do for our country. In many ways he was a larger than life figure. During the Cuban missle crisis, when the country came the closest it has ever been to nuclear destruction, we put our faith in him and prayed. He got us through it. (Even Krushchev later admitted that he didn't think much of Kennedy until they literally went face to face in in a nuclear showdown.) I'll never forget how we all stood there and cried when we heard what happened in Dallas. Then they got Bobby and then Martin Luther King, Jr. and things got very dark. But many of us will never forget that "one brief shining moment" that defined a generation. Good thoughts, Bob |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes he was definately a social liberal and probably a war hawk and a center right economic view. Certainly not a bad combo LOL. (Well without the war hawk I guess.)
He challenged a generation, not handed them things. He inspired a generation to be better than they were. He is not a hero of mine by a longshot, but that does not mean it isn't possible to see him for what he was.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-01-12 15:42, Dannydoyle wrote: Social liberal, economic conservative, but not a war hawk makes for not a bad combo, you say. Kennedy sounds pretty average Canadian to me. I guess Magnus and I are rubbing off on you.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Hey now!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On 2012-01-12 16:26, balducci wrote: Didn't Magnus quit rubbing off almost a month ago? Social liberal for the time. For today, I'm not so sure. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Does anyone think that spending more than we take in is a good thing? Seriously. No spin no bull. Can we sustain the path?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-01-13 12:22, Dannydoyle wrote: It's totally unanimous...everyone in the country thinks they should spend a bit more on the things they like and a lot less on the things they don't.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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