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I suspect that Google and Wikipedia and other sites opposed to the bill have quite a few of the pertinent lawyers on hand.
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Kcg5: Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't ever expect the press to get every little detail of an article right. With really difficult stuff, I'm even happy if they get into the ballpark. But with the general coverage of SOPA, I'm really perplexed. The statute is pretty clear. I mean, it's not the type of thing that I'd expect a sixth grader to sit down and read. But if you're charged with writing an article on a piece of legislation, it seems like you should at least spend an hour or two reading the legislation.

I suspect what happened is that someone did a bad job of doing that (perhaps in the name of getting their article out quickly?), and then everyone else just aped the first article.

Landmark: Sure, many of the companies that have come out against SOPA surely don't take their legal advice from blogs and the press. I have no doubt that the Googles of the world know exactly what SOPA says and doesn't say. So why are they so vociferously against SOPA? For one, as a technological matter it arguably doesn't work. (See the Sandia National Labs letter I linked to above.)

However, there are press releases and open letters that mention how SOPA would hinder innovation and job creation. I don't see how that's anything but (at most) tangentially true, and I've never seen it explained.

Ultimately, it might be more of a perception issue. It's telling, for example, that Go Daddy originally came out in support of SOPA, but reversed its course in the wake of tremendous market pressure. I wonder to what extent the Googles of the world are simply pounding their chest because they fear the negative press more than the fear the bill itself.
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Looks like Google is promoting awareness of this thing too.
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Ultimately, it might be more of a perception issue. It's telling, for example, that Go Daddy originally came out in support of SOPA, but reversed its course in the wake of tremendous market pressure. I wonder to what extent the Googles of the world are simply pounding their chest because they fear the negative press more than the fear the bill itself.


That's the definition of capitalism...we vote with our dollars. Godaddy stood to lose a lot of customers & money.
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I still think it would affect YouTube, Flickr, Facebook etc. I've read and seen far touch about this recently, and it's always described the same way. Not that I doubt the lee baileys at the Café...
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SOPA would allow anyone to complain that a site contained their intellectual property and ISP's would have to block access to that site. If I complain that the themagiccafe.com contains my intellectual property, the bill would force ISP's to block access to themagicafe.com. The complaintants do not have to prove their point , they just have to complain. It will break the internet as we know it. Hence the black out today. Truly bad legislation.
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Funny SOPA graphic here:

http://theoatmeal.com/sopa

I would post it here, but if I do so it fails to load from the very start. So best to go to the source to see it.
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So... What's the general consensus as to what SOPA could do? Some of you guys think it would've done nothing, some seen to think it would have been major.
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Any one with any knowledge of the matter thinks it is a disaster. I moderate a forum of some of the most knowledgeable people in the industry on these matters and the consensus among them all is that this is very poor legislation and it would virtually cripple the Internet. These are people who care deeply about piracy, but this bill would create a tsunami of problems that would destroy businesses.
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Fortunately it seems cooler heads have prevailed and this thing is headed to the garbage heap.
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On 2012-01-17 06:42, MobilityBundle wrote:
Ultimately, it might be more of a perception issue. It's telling, for example, that Go Daddy originally came out in support of SOPA, but reversed its course in the wake of tremendous market pressure. I wonder to what extent the Googles of the world are simply pounding their chest because they fear the negative press more than the fear the bill itself.


That's the definition of capitalism...we vote with our dollars. Godaddy stood to lose a lot of customers & money.


Sure seemed to work a lot better, and quicker, than voting "within the system."
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Fortunately it seems cooler heads have prevailed and this thing is headed to the garbage heap.


For now. It'll be back in some form or another, or tacked onto some other bill.

So much for of, by and for the people.
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On 2012-01-18 14:53, BillMcCloskey wrote:
Fortunately it seems cooler heads have prevailed and this thing is headed to the garbage heap.


For now. It'll be back in some form or another, or tacked onto some other bill.

So much for of, by and for the people.


The people spoke and the bills are going down. Your conclusion makes no sense whatsoever.
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On 2012-01-18 14:53, BillMcCloskey wrote:
Fortunately it seems cooler heads have prevailed and this thing is headed to the garbage heap.


For now. It'll be back in some form or another, or tacked onto some other bill.

So much for of, by and for the people.


The people spoke and the bills are going down. Your conclusion makes no sense whatsoever.


It's one of them there, what you call, "Geumptwo" conclusions.
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Bob, this is the, what, forth version of the(se) bill(s)? They have not died. This is nothing more than lip service. Corporate money speaks much louder than the voice of the "people."
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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That's because the people aren't opposed to an anti-piracy bill. They are opposed, I believe, to an overly broad bill that has unintended consequences.

The bills submitted so far have not passed muster.
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Lyndel,

Very well put.

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Yeah, problem is they will not be able to pass up the opportunity to control.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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