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Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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So, what if the government forced Internet providers to keep records of a year and a half of your Internet activity/history, including your mane, address,, banking info, credit card numbers, etc, and pretty much all the government has to do to get this info is ask?

Just wondering where people would stand on such a thing?
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My bigger concern is that they will shut off my power.
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So, what if the government forced Internet providers to keep records of a year and a half of your Internet activity/history, including your mane, address,, banking info, credit card numbers, etc, and pretty much all the government has to do to get this info is ask?

Just wondering where people would stand on such a thing?


I would think that you would have no problem with that. After all, once you have given that information to them, it is no longer yours and they can do with it what they like. That is the same argument you have used to say that there is no "right" to possession of intangible or intellectual property. What are names, banking numbers, etc., if not intangible property?

Also, they could photocopy that information on their own paper (as you suggested in the other thread) and since that paper was theirs to begin with, they could now do whatever they please with it.

Those are the exact same arguments you have used in the other thread.

Why don't they apply here?
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Bob, you are absolutely right, excepted that those were NOT the conditions I agreed to when setting up my Internet provider. That's kind of the entire point of a contract Bob, to establish these conditions in the first place. Also, that's not even the issue being questioned. It's the matter of a third party, the state in this case, stepping in and mandating it.
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I'd rather live under copyright law as an implicit default contract than have to actually review and sign a contract every time I bought a book. Of course, I buy a lot of books.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Bob, you are absolutely right, excepted that those were NOT the conditions I agreed to when setting up my Internet provider.


You actually read all of the terms & conditions?
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Probably not, and if those things WERE allowed for in the terms and conditions, then it's my own fault.

Any who, so how about the ACTUAL question? What would YOU think of such a law?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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So, what if the government forced Internet providers to keep records of a year and a half of your Internet activity/history, including your mane, address,, banking info, credit card numbers, etc, and pretty much all the government has to do to get this info is ask?



My mane?

They can keep my mane as I can grow a new one 'cause I'm a lion.

And as Brad Pitt so aptly put it, there are no pacts between lions and men. Smile

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Any who, so how about the ACTUAL question? What would YOU think of such a law?


I'll take the 5th, as I'm sure there's a catch and I don't want my answer spun into an un-de-tangle-able mess that I have to spend the next month trying to sort out.
I reserve the right to contribute one-liners as the mood strikes.
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I, too, would rather limit my participation to actual laws and policies rather than "what ifs."
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No catch, just wondering what people would think of such a law being passed in america. I ask because there is one they are pushing right now that apparently does make these demands of ISPs. At least according to several news outlets, representatives, lawyers, ect.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-200849......Tk3vompg
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I have a feeling that the proposal, as outlined in the article, would not pass constitutional muster.

The Supreme Court, conservative as they may be, just ruled this past week that police could not attach GPS monitors to cars of those suspected of criminal activity without court approval. I think the same right to privacy rationale would prevail in a case brought challenging the proposed legislation you cited.

Good thoughts,

Bob
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Actually that is not quite what they ruled. They said it constitutes a search, but would not say if it was reasonable or not.

http://volokh.com/2012/01/23/what-jones-does-not-hold/

They also said that it depends on how long they are tracking you for. However they would not say at what point it is long enough to require a warrant.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/scotus-gps-ruling/
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Instead of the 4th, how about the 5th?

Looks like they may be able to compel you to decrypt your computer for them.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-573643......laptops/
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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What else did you expect when using something Al Gore invented?
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The correct answer is, they will do whatever they like, law or no law, and they will (perhaps) justify it later.
They can murder you without the slightest accountability, you really think that any law is going to stop them from getting your personal info from an ISP? Please, we're all grown-ups here, aren't we?
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What else did you expect when using something Al Gore invented?


In case you didn't know, that tired meme about Al Gore claiming to have invented the Internet isn't exactly true. In fact, when one looks at what he said IN CONTEXT, the claim is clearly false.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

But don't let facts get in the way.
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Though sopa and pipa are, for the moment, old news now, I thought I would post this, as it is an interesting read, at least for the contextual history of hollywood.

http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt

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It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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