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What do you think about that guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQKMV-VtL......ure=plcp

We have finally reached the magician’s ideal.

Without touching and looking at the chosen card, even asking any questions, the magician can see which card has been chosen.
It’s not just happening in a dream; “Logical Deck” makes ultimate miracles in reality.

The Big secret of “Logical Deck” is the mark that is logically and cleverly constructed.
It’s no wonder it takes us to the next generation of Marked Deck.

In the past, we needed to look at the back of the marked card to read it, so it was impossible to read a card in the middle of the deck.

But the past is OVER. With “Logical Deck”, you can read the card even when the cards are stacked- AND without sliding the card to see the back.
You can read even the middle card in the deck instantly and easily.

There is NO need to stare at the card. Once you get used to reading it, you can read a couple cards at the same time instantly.

You can fool your spectators and even your magician friends.

You will receive special instructions that focus on 2 basic routines, and extra idea to combine with other items.

Simple, yet logically, cleverly, and cleanly a truly Mysterious effect!

Comment from Masuda:
“When I saw this trick the first time, I was totally fooled even though I already knew this trick is a revision of my trick…

This trick is based on one mathematic logic. However, the cards don’t have to be lined up in order. WOW! That means even the spectator can shuffle the deck!

You can see the card in the moment, as this cleverly gimmicked deck allows you to peek at the number and suit with natural, simple and easy handling.

He is a Super genius guy!” --- Masuda
Hands-off ACAAN - freely chosen card and number : http://doriancaudal.wix.com/miracaan
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Sounds interesting. Anybody have this yet?
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This guy always have clever stuff. Will post my thoughts when mine arrives.
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Yeh I spotted this on SEO and have been very tempted to order, will let you know if I do.
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Now the question is, if and when the participant shuffles the deck, can it be a normal riffle shuffle or overhand shuffle? Or does the participant have to do a Hindu Shuffle? Namely because I've tried teaching about 20 of my non magician friends and family to do the Hindu Shuffle before and for some reason it's like trying to teach somebody a foreign language in 2 days, it's just not possible.
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More important then the question of shuffling the deck is the ability to read the deck. Look up useless resistance by musada.
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More important then the question of shuffling the deck is the ability to read the deck. Look up useless resistance by musada.
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On 2012-01-23 22:11, drphil wrote:
More important then the question of shuffling the deck is the ability to read the deck. Look up useless resistance by musada.

It was my understanding that you must have very good eyesight for this..?
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I'm interested in this too..... sounds really strong; looking forward to some reviews
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It seems to be the edges of the cards are key to the markings.
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Hello all,

The Logical Deck effect itself seems similar to X-Ray by Ben Harris & Steve Shufton which I use a lot.

Comparing the two effects with The Logical Deck the cards can apparently be shuffled by the spectator prior to the effect starting although I suspect that the performer needs to see the cards before they are placed back in the box. In the demo it is the performer who puts the cards back in the box although I suspect that the spectator could do so if desired.

In X-Ray the cards are not shuffled by the spectator prior to the effect starting but they can be shuffled by the performer and shown to be totally random. Once the cards are handed over to the spectator the performer never needs to touch or even see the cards or the box again.

The one significant flaw with X-Ray is that on rare occasions you will miss. With The Logical Deck I suspect it has a 100% hit rate.

I am very intrigued by The Logical Deck, it's definitely on my watch list.

Regards,

Laurence.
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I doubt that you could read the card if you don't put them in the box. Think where the marks on the card has to be. Still waiting for a review.
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On 2012-01-25 02:34, lhookway wrote:
Hello all,

The Logical Deck effect itself seems similar to X-Ray by Ben Harris & Steve Shufton which I use a lot.

Comparing the two effects with The Logical Deck the cards can apparently be shuffled by the spectator prior to the effect starting although I suspect that the performer needs to see the cards before they are placed back in the box. In the demo it is the performer who puts the cards back in the box although I suspect that the spectator could do so if desired.

In X-Ray the cards are not shuffled by the spectator prior to the effect starting but they can be shuffled by the performer and shown to be totally random. Once the cards are handed over to the spectator the performer never needs to touch or even see the cards or the box again.

The one significant flaw with X-Ray is that on rare occasions you will miss. With The Logical Deck I suspect it has a 100% hit rate.

I am very intrigued by The Logical Deck, it's definitely on my watch list.

Regards,

Laurence.


Laurence-

Interesting.

I use X Ray all the time and at this stage my hit rate is easily 90-95% - it is a grand slam great effect and spectators love it. I love it too!

I'm intrigued by this as you are suggesting that this uses the same well known underlying principal as X Ray - if that is the case then you would only need 4-6 markings on the edges of the cards to know which card was taken and turned around. The turning around of the card would change the orientation of the "logical" markings... lets say the marks vary and each one jogs a little more disrupting their continuity.

Also the type of shuffling seems irrelevant - I surmise that this effect may be from Asia where we all know that Hindu is the predominant shuffle.

Just educated guessing Smile

But it would be easy enough tonight for me to play with a new deck and experiment.

But on that note, if this does use the same idea as X Ray then it would also be prone to the same slight possibility that the spectator doesn't hit the "right" cards - which means you would be wrong on this having a 100% hit rate. Anything depending on that method can't be 100% as the spectator always has the possibility of missing rarely.
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Also note that in the video the magician does his demo cut from the ends - while orienting so the spectator is apt to (and does) cut along the middle.

I also thought I saw a shimmer of the chosen card which did indicate that there was probably some work visible.
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Hi Saysold,

Effect wise X-Ray and The Logical Deck appear to be similar but I do suspect that the methods are entirely different.

In my original post I didn't mean to infer that the methods themselves were similar, just the effect itself from the perspective of the spectators.

A 90+% hit rate with X-Ray is about what I get too. I can live with that because I feel that X-Ray is just so strong. Once you hand the spectator the deck to choose a card you never touch or see it again for the duration of the performance. It just totally baffles audiences since in their eyes any kind of jiggery pokery is impossible.

If The Logical Deck does uses edge markings then that is very sneaky indeed.

I guess that you could edge mark one short edge to indicate the suit and one long edge to indicate the value. When the chosen card is flipped over the edge markings of that one card would therefore be the only visible markings seen on one side of the deck. Assuming this is the case then you would have to be careful that the spectators shuffle the cards without messing up their orientation; maybe that's why the Hindu Shuffle was used. I imagine that having keen eyesight (or a bionic eye) would be advisable too.

Regards,

Laurence.
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On 2012-01-25 11:48, lhookway wrote:
Hi Saysold,

Effect wise X-Ray and The Logical Deck appear to be similar but I do suspect that the methods are entirely different.

In my original post I didn't mean to infer that the methods themselves were similar, just the effect itself from the perspective of the spectators.

A 90+% hit rate with X-Ray is about what I get too. I can live with that because I feel that X-Ray is just so strong. Once you hand the spectator the deck to choose a card you never touch or see it again for the duration of the performance. It just totally baffles audiences since in their eyes any kind of jiggery pokery is impossible.

If The Logical Deck does uses edge markings then that is very sneaky indeed.

I guess that you could edge mark one short edge to indicate the suit and one long edge to indicate the value. When the chosen card is flipped over the edge markings of that one card would therefore be the only visible markings seen on one side of the deck. Assuming this is the case then you would have to be careful that the spectators shuffle the cards without messing up their orientation; maybe that's why the Hindu Shuffle was used. I imagine that having keen eyesight (or a bionic eye) would be advisable too.

Regards,

Laurence.


Or just do it the X Ray way and limit the selections. Since there is cuting involved I am more apt to think that the cutting is involved with the method - more so than the markings.

Getting a quick look at 52 possible combos would be a pain - I doubt that highly.
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I have this and love it. The cards can be riffle shuffle, hindu or overhand. No need to put the cards back in the case but it makes it easier to read the marks. YES YOU NEED VERY GOOD EYESIGHT to do this. The ad already says the cards are edge marked, so I am not exposing anything by saying the marks are only on one end of the deck, a short side. The marks on the reverse card can be spotted and read in about 2 seconds, no trying to compare. The marking is the most ingenious I have seen. This is a keeper.

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The more I look at the demo the more baffled I become.

In truth I don't like the fact that in the demo the performer turns around and then puts the cards in the box. Why can't the spectator put the cards in the box themselves, that seems fairer doesn't it? For me that is a big strength of X-Ray insofar as the performer never touches or sees the deck after the selection is made.

Having said that I wonder just how easy it is to obtain the peek with The Logical Deck.

Do you actually need to handle the deck to get the peek ?

Or can you get the peek without handling the deck at all? For example could you get the peek without touching the deck whilst it is still on the table and you are seated or standing say 3 to 4 feet away?

If you can peek the card without handling the deck at all then you could turn around after the spectator has cut to their card, quickly get the peek and then turn back around saying, "Oh give the cards a good shuffle and pop them back in the box so no-one can see them."

If you could do that then you would have an effect that is very very very similar to X-Ray but which will always be a 100% hit. That would be pretty amazing.

Question: If anyone has The Logical Deck do you actually need to handle the cards and put them back in the box to get the peek or can the peek be obtained totally hands off at a short distance?

Regards,

Laurence.
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The cards can be left on the table (squared) by the spectator. Three feet away is about the most you can get otherwise the marks are too small to be seen. I just put the deck on the table and measured and I could see them 3 feet away.
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That's good to know, I'm leaning towards getting Logical Deck now. Thanks Devin.

Regards,

Laurence.
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