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OK, here is my friend Tom's review of the Logical Deck which he purchased recently from SEO. He is a magician hobbyist like me and has been into magic for many years.

He has had trouble registering on the Café because of some email snafu, so he asked me to post this for him:

Hi Brett:

Feel free to post this on Magic Café.

I am a "lurker" but due to my e-mail account, (AOL), I have not been able to join the Café yet. I am working on it. But after reading the poor reviews given to Logical Deck, I thought I should try and throw my two cents in.

I recently purchased this deck. Yes, it is a marked deck. But not marked like traditional marked decks. The markings are on one of the short sides of the deck.

I own other marked decks, but many times have trouble seeing the "markings" or making out the suits or numbers. Especially when its late and my eyes are tired. Logical deck does not mark in the same manner. I actually find these markings on Logical Deck to be MUCH easier to read. I can tell in just 2 seconds what the card is.

In my opinion, it is very simple to read.

As far as shuffling, I am not a big Hindu shuffle lover. And since the cards cannot be turned end for end, having someone riffle shuffle is not a good idea with this deck either. So I spread the deck showing the cards are all mixed. then I personally riffle shuffle a few times to further mix as they watch.

The deck DOES NOT need to be stacked in any particular order.

The downfall of the deck is this. The spectator is supposed to flip the card over side to side. But if they turn it end for end, long-ways, you are s@rewed IF you only follow the written instructions. So I came up with an easy solution. I wont go into full details so as to not give away the secret, but if you have the deck you will understand my gist.

I marked the 1st and 4th markings on the top and bottom edges of the two jokers with a black Sharpie. So when I begin the trick I remove the jokers but keep them handy. So I turn my back, let the spectator do their thing, and when I turn around, if I don't see the card they selected, I know they did not fully follow my directions, and they flipped it end for end.

So now I put the jokers back on the deck, pick up the deck and put it in the card box, MARKED end first. Now as the deck is sliding into the card box, I peek, compare my "joker markings" with the cards markings, and I *instantly* know what their card is.

I am not saying Logical Deck is the killer effect of the century. But I personally find it easier to use than traditional marked cards - and I like it very much Smile

Perhaps a 7 out of 10 would be a fair rating. I just thought another point of view should be thrown in just to be fair.

Thanks,
Tom
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Good balanced review Tom, and thanks saysold1 for going to the trouble of posting it. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I stand by my opinion still on this in saying it will never take over from the decks I use. So until others buy it I guess its a divided view.
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Takeachance you say that the deck needs to be stacked, Tom says no. Would like clarity on that as it is an important consideration, although I'm not sure many stacks would hold up with shuffling. Definitely two different opinions.

Thanks to both for posting.

John
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The Deck does not need to be stacked it can be shuffled however to minimise risk of the markings being exposed the magician would need to do the shuffling and you could do an overhand shuffle without a problem.

One thing to state this is probably something you'd save for those special occasions on a one to one situation with someone. If you had a group of people surrounding you chances are they would see the markings. I still think this is a neat idea but each to their own I guess some people will find the restrictions off putting.
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Tom says...

"as long as people are in a semi-circle and not behind you there should be no issue."

"There is definitely no stacking - you just need to make sure the markings are on one end."

"If you follow the written instructions only, then you could have an issue as the effect needs strong audience management because of the high probability of them turning in the wrong direction. Using my method with the two jokers as described - then the management is less of an issue. The creators really should have come up with a similar solution to the turning/flipping issue as mine as I was able to come up with it the first time I used it. That is a bit of a weakness. There is a little memory work based on the suits but quite easy to remember and visually it is easy to see in a decently lit room."
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Thanks for the clarification guys!

John
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Does anyone have both this and Useless Resistance, and if so what would be any advantages of this?

Useless Resistance is brilliant, but I'd be in if there are any advantages to this.

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Tom just showed me his better system today basically he is marking the jokers (one above one below) with the same index markers as would be seen on the correct side of the deck. So essentially even if the spectator places their card wrongways (highly possible) then the magician is still able to easily and quickly see & determine the correct card by looking at the jokers as a reference. In this way the magician would insert cards with the marked in first (unseen) and then get their peek by viewing from the top as the cards are put away - with a single finger hiding the small marks whilst putting the cards inside and closing flap.

In addition, Tom suggested putting the refernce markings on the inner flap in light pencil - also providing an easy reference to see card chosen in case card is turned wrongways.

Pretty cool Smile

Don't have this guys so PLEASE don't PM me as I don't know all the workings.
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The joker marks are obviously on the opposite end as the normal markings. Can't be seen easily either by the spec.
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Ah I get it now good get out
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Hi
This is very similar to The Devils Deck aka Miracle Deck in Tarbell Vol 8 page 140
It was marketed a few years ago but I believe no longer available.
It to is an edge marked deck (long side not short) but a card is removed instead of reversed and the edge marks reveal the missing card.
Presentation wise I prefer the Devils Deck as I feel removing a card is safer than having one reversed and it potentially being done incorrectly by the spectator.
Hope this helps?
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Ian,
thanks for the reference. Back in my head I remembered to have read something along these lines in the past but couldn't remember where.
So, what is the 'improvement' of the LD then?
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I haven't been here on Magic Café for over 2 years... just popped in today to see what's going on and came across this thread. As I was reading through the thread, I was about to ask if anyone here ever read their Tarbell books, but saw that IanB made the comment. Edge marking a deck has been around for years and is a very clever item to have in your inventory. I've used one for years and you can choose to have the card returned or you can simply have the card withheld from the deck. Either way, you can determine what card was selected. You can have multiple cards selected as well.

I like to apply the principle of edge-marking to other "non-playing card" effects... i.e. "Directors Cut"... they can mix the movie cards, remove the one they are thinking of... I usually have two people each remove a movie card... and then I use the white back of the card stack as a movie screen and I ask them each to imagine a scene from their movie... as I'm looking at the screen trying to pick up their image, I'm really reading the marks and seeing which 2 movies are missing... it takes that effect to an entirely new level and makes it look like real mind-reading. And it's not a card trick (even though it is). Smile

Oh... and you can add the movie cards from the Horror Edition as well... since you are not limited to 26 cards... you could even make up your own movie poster cards and have a 100 movies using this edge marking system (but that would be a a pretty thick stack of cards).

I talked a friend of mine who performs stage mentalism into preparing this effect using real movie posters on large boards... with the poster boards positioned just right, the performer can clearly see the marks from across the performing area, but they remain unseen from the audience.

Anytime you think you might have come across something entirely new... go back and look through your Tarbell books first! Smile
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Ive been using Devils deck for years. Is there any significant differences in Logical deck and devil deck?
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Just a thought but couldn't you cut a hole in one end of the card box? Smile
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So Devils Deck is marked on the long side?
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