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doud96
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I'm new to the Café' and a bit timid in my surroundings here because of the professionalism. I'm trying to get better at my classic palm. I'd say I have an average hand being 6'2" @ 200lbs. and I use 1964 Kennedy half dollars. I've been working on it for about 2 mnths on and off (more on) and I'm still getting a crab look; in other words not much has changed from when I started. I have Bobo's Book, David Roth's DVDs, and Brad Burt's DVD. Can't figure out why my hand is not coming along. Is there any time line to look forward to or any exercises. I do have one handicap. My middle finger of my right hand is in a permanent cresant shape when I have my hand flat on the table (won't straighten out). When my hand is at my side it is naturally cruved with the rest of my fingers. The joint behind the fingertip is frozen (won't move). The other two joints (middle and joint at the hand) move fine except when my hand is flat on the table. So, I can do finger palm and even the thumb palm pretty good and can move in and out of the 3 positions pretty good. I just can't get my hand to look too natural. Any help from anyone would be great as this is becoming frustraighting and I love old school magic. Thanks in advance..........
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Yo, Doud:

I carefully read above and I assume the that problem is only with the right hand? If you Left is fine that cool. If not let us know.

On the R.H., you may be in a position that your hand can only look AS natural as the nature of the problem with your finger can allow. In other words what looks perfectly normal for your L.H. will not be exactly the same as your Right. Per that basic stuff on my DVD, look at your R.H. without a coin in it. Hold it in as many 'normal' positions as you can think of: Relaxed and extended in front of you, etc. How does it look? You want the hand 'with' coin to look the same.

The other thing that I have a question on: It sounds as if you can not bend your finger 'IN'? But, not sure of that. In other words can you use it along with your second finger to place a coin IN the palm position?

On a positive note: It took me almost a year to REALLY get my classic palm down with my right or dominant hand, so don't be put off if it takes a while to really nail it down. Just keep at it a little bit EVERY day.

Best,
Brad Burt
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(The other thing that I have a question on: It sounds as if you can not bend your finger 'IN'? But, not sure of that. In other words can you use it along with your second finger to place a coin IN the palm position?)

The answer to this question is yes, the finger bends normally inward with the joint next to the hand and the middle joint. The joint next to the nail is paralized. I can move the coin pretty freely within my Right Hand. Sorry, I didn't mention that I am right handed and that where my handicap is. Thanks again in advance..........
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Welcome, doud. Search CP or Classic Palm under Nothing Up My Sleeve. You will find a TON of advice!
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Doud96,
The phrase "Palming" can be somewhat misleading when you begin to learn this technique; Everyone has their own unique biological "sweetspot" where the coin feels most comfortable; The spot for me is not directly in the center of my hand but rather positioned a little farther down towards the heel of the hand.

It's the thumb's muscle that moves towards the coin and grips the edge against the hand (vs. folding over the fingers); When you have a coin in position, touch the tip of your thumb to the tip of your pinky .... those are the main muscles that function holding the coin in place, the other three fingers are stationary;

There is always a "telltale" pinky constriction when you have a coin in palm position, Roth offers an excellent idea for eliminating the tell.

BWind
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When I started working on it I tried classic palming it as much as I could. Walking around at home with a coin in my palm without anyone saying "hey! what's up with your hand!" is a good exercise. If you try that and people doesn't think you have something in your hand or you got some weird nervous disorder then your fine. If you succeed then your hand is probably looking "natural". Because what isn't natural stand out a lot. This was the best tip I had and I hope I helped.

Good luck!
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I would like to second BWind's post. My sweet spot is more towards the heel of the hand too. The smaller the coin, the more the spot moves up to the heel of the hand. I have extremely dry hands, which is much more of a hindrance, but even I succeeded at last. Just try to apply the least amount of muscle pressure whithout letting the coin drop. Then your hand should look almost natural. If you do that often enough, it will become "automagical".

Hope that helps.
doud96
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Thanks so much for yall's help. I'll give it all a go and keep trying. If there is any thing else that comes to mind please let me know and thanks again.
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I like bigger coins, dollar sized, which seem to fit my hands better.

But I suggest that you work on the muscle pass, as it strengthens your hand muscles, and is also pretty cool.

Also palm a coin and then go about normal activities. Make the coin a natural extension of the hand, and that will also help.

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Doud96 keep trying. I know that this sounds a bit of annoying but this is what I was told when I used to have the same problem.
Keep also in your mind that you can do great coin magic without even using the cp. If you watch Kainoa Harbottle you will see what I mean!!
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Doud96,

First of all, welcome to the Café! Smile I don't have the best classic palm either, but I get by. Why? Because I don't think about it. It's a tool to get from one phase to the next. The coin is never in CP long enough for anyone to notice, and I do it with both hands, neither being the ideal CP.

I think what people who are new to palming coins do, is draw attention to the hand palming the coin. Learn a changeover palm. I have had people call me on it, and I do the changeover, and show the other hand empty as well. Sometimes that works, other times...ehh...well, then I just get out the gaff. Ha ha! Smile

I like Ike Dollar coins. Then half dollars. I find it almost impossible to do a CP with a quarter, but I can, if need be. Let me see here, I have one right now...yeah, but I don't keep it there long at all. The CP is not the end-all of coin sleights, but it is helpful for me at times.

And Mago is correct, Kainoa Harbottle is phenomenal! I've never seen him CP a coin, either! Smile

Doug
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