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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Bob, I addressed the that (the republic). Did you actually read my posts?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Whatever. Reading your posts and making rational sense out of them are two entirely different propositions. You still have avoided answering any of the questions I have asked. You simply change definitions to suit your predetermined conclusions, thus making any reasonable discussion impossible.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
As I understand it, the US is both a Republic and a Democracy. That's what I read on some guy's blog, and everybody with a blog is always right.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
That's right, Critter. A republic is a representative democracy. In a pure democracy citizens would vote on everything directly. In a republic, most legislation is voted on by elected representatives of the people.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Is the question you're referring to that of pointing out where you even remotely referred to mob rule?
This was my answer: Quote:
On 2012-01-26 20:47, gdw wrote: As I said in a post after that, I don't actually find this to be an accurate description of the current state of affairs. "Democracy" and "republic" really are little more than lip service at this point. America, today, is much better described as an Oligarchy now, and I would even argue always was. Even if it were still accurately a republic, I would argue a republic is little more than wolves in the sheep's clothing, and you can keep it.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-01-27 11:00, mastermindreader wrote: Saw today's Doonesbury and was reminded of your comment.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
By that definition, though, I imagine everyone's candidacy defies understanding.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
That pretty well sums it up Balducci!
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2012-01-28 18:38, LobowolfXXX wrote: Also, even of Dr. Paul gets the nomination, and then the presidency, that wouldn't make it a "libertarian" government. If you thought other presidents had to fight to get anything done. . .
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
A libertarian president wouldn't need to get anything done for there would be nothing for government to do, other than disband.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Bob, you seem to be a bit confused about libertarianism. As I said before, don't conflate my positions and views with libertarianism. Though there is plenty of overlap, not all, not even most, libertarians would agree with a good bit of my positions.
I don't mind being called a libertarian, but my views certainly don't define the ism.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I haven't "conflated" your views with libertarianism at all. I was simply responding to your comment about Paul. Nor am I the least bit confused about libertarianism.
You seem to be an adherent of individualist anarchism, not a libertarian. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Then why did you suggest that the government would just disband under Paul?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On 2012-01-27 11:00, mastermindreader wrote: I nominate this post of the decade. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-01-29 07:52, gdw wrote: It was a joke!!! (In case you haven't noticed, Paul generally talks about all of the aspects of government he is going to do away with. But if I have to explain the jokes...) Here's a better one: Quote:
“Don't you think Ron Paul looks like one of those people they interview after every UFO sighting?” –David Letterman Come to think of it, you're starting to remind me of those people as well. |
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DanHarlan V.I.P. 998 Posts |
GDW--
Let's forget about the copyright law and take your position as it is presented. As I understand it, you DO accept that a person (let's call her "Evelyn") can have an IDEA that can be defined as PROPERTY. As long as Evelyn keeps her idea to herself, she OWNS it exclusively. According to you, as soon as she shares it with ME (with or without payment), we BOTH own it... thus we both have identical versions of the original property and all inherent rights to its use. If I understand your position, it is up to Evelyn to specifically request (by some form of mutual agreement) that I refrain from sharing her IDEA/PROPERTY with anyone else, if that is her wish. Then, if I happen to disobey her wishes and share HER/MY IDEA/PROPERTY with someone else, she will no longer be my friend and tell everyone that I'm a big stinky-faced meanie and she'll never tell me another IDEA ever, ever. This will effectively ostracize me from society. Do I understand your position regarding Intellectual Property? --Dan Harlan |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Dan-
If I understand Glen, I believe Evelyn would be able to call you a big BAD stinky face meany, punctuated by a "So, there!" But you would, of course, retain the right to respond with an angry, "Nya Na!" :eek: |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Not quite Mr. Harlan. What I am saying is that non-aggressive conflicts can have non-aggressive resolution through things like mediation and arbitration.
If we are going to trivialize positions through childish representations then perhaps we should take a look at the current system. Instead of "not being your friend," and telling others you're a"meanie" we have "I don't like what you did now give me your lunch money or I'll beat you up." On the note of dealing with more aggressive conflicts, for those suggesting it would be nothing more than competing gangs, this video provides a decent description of one possible alternative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPyrq6SEL0
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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DanHarlan V.I.P. 998 Posts |
GDW--
I said "Let's forget about the copyright law and take your position as it's presented." I am fully aware that the current law allows us to "beat up" the offender... if we can catch him. I am willing to accept your proposal that there is a non-agressive way to resolve the issue. So, in the interest of understanding your position, I say let's forget about the copyright law. Evelyn told me her IDEA. According to you, I now OWN that IDEA and have every right inherent in ownership as if it were physical PROPERTY... UNLESS she stipulated that I DO NOT have the right to share it with anyone else. If Evelyn does not want her IDEA spread without her knowledge, then her options are: Don't tell anyone, or make me promise not to tell anyone. Is this ONE assumption on my part correct? --Dan Harlan |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I'm sorry to bring up the subject of intellectual property protection again, if this discussion has gone far beyond that.
But 99 44/100% of the major medical advances of the past 50 or so years have been new pharmaceuticals. Without intellectual property protection - patents - 99 44/100% of them would never have been developed. And both the existence of the generic drug industry, and the high prices of brand-name drugs, are the result of deliberate decisions that were made about the duration of patent protection, and how intellectual property could be appropriated by non-inventors. W. |
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