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David Kaye
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Hi Gang,

I have another question I would like to hear your feelings about.

Do you think that doing kid shows, performing magic for children, makes you a better all-around magician? I do. But I would like to hear your responses.

Thanks for taking time to kelp me with this. This is more research for an article I am writing.
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Pure and simple: Yes! It's made me examine my other shows and keeping it lively and moving....and again, having fun!
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David,
I almost started this very thread myself. Yes, It absolutely helps your overall abilities. We are all children inside after all. I've benefited greatly from studying your book & dvd. Focusing on entertainment value over the actual magic is just as important in magic for adults as it is in children's magic. The magic may need to be stronger for the former, but does not lessen the need to be entertaining as well.

I also love the confidence that comes with understanding each age group from infants to the geriatric. You can entertain each person in a mixed age audience all on their own level. All at the same time. No one is excluded, and there is no need to feel uncomfortable when confronted with a spectator who is not the preferred age.

I would encourage EVERY magician to study your material regardless of their target audience. They will be enlightened.

Thank You for your work,
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In children shows,I can be myself(the crazy and weird guy ) and it helped me to break the ice in my other shows.Now I don't feel uncomfortable to be myself in the adult shows and things that I do are no more artificial to me,I actually enjoy the show rather than taking it as a job.So everybody is having fun and I'm the only one getting paid for it.
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I was a mediocre wannabe until a promoter started giving me two gigs a week, every week, all theatre shows for kids. At the end of a few years I was ready to tackle anything. It vastly improved my adult work. I have a friend who is quickly developing into a world class comedy magician (Steve Spade). Early in his career I advised him to do plenty of kids shows. It went against the grain with him, but he did them, and now he acknowledges that the kids shows made him quicker and sharper.

Keith Barry cut his teeth on kids shows, and he hasn't done too badly. I wasn't able to watch his latest show, because the entire tour sold out.

Apart from doing plenty of kids shows, the one thing I recommend for performers it to join Toastmasters International and become good speakers. It is the other thing that will make vast improvements in your work in a short time.
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I think it does. It keeps you thinking or as a performer, and less like an actor with a script. With adults, there is less of a chance to feed from them to go in another direction, and to basically keep your mind sharp. Like Asgar stated, you look at it less as a job, and more of an experience.
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Because children have not mastered the art of kindness yet, they are quick to tell you they know the secret to a trick, or your timing is off, or the misdirection is not working, or you flashed a secret device, etc. With every show I can change it until I get it right, or admit that the trick is not as strong as I had hoped.

This honest feedback by the children has taught me more about timing and misdirection than any magician possibly could.

Entertaining children has taught me much about humility also, but that’s another story for another day.Smile

David,

Where/when are you planning to publish this article? I’d love to read it.
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These are fantastic answers. THank you guys so much.

anyone else?
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I have only started doing this cool stuff - But, I have been an educator for 40 plus years and have taught everything from Graduate School all the way up to forth grade. And. IMHO, those who have spent serious time with the younger set are far better at dealing with the other ages.
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I agree. In any context there is huge difference between performing
to yourself versus live people.

Yet, the thing I like about performing for children is that they
are not afraid to challenge you and/or let you know if you are
any good or not.

I also believe that flight time is very important. You will
get verbal feedback, implied feedback, or will not be called...

Yet, the key is to learn from all this and to constantly look at
what you are doing and question what you are doing and/or
reactions that you saw...

Also, to me, doing childrens shows requires the same effort for any show
from the show itself, to the business side, and marketing side...
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I absolutely agree that doing shows for kids makes you a better entertainer.

It's far easier for me to be bold and try out new things in kids shows.
I am a kid at heart and perorming for kids and being myself around them gave me the confidence to be more myself in my adult comedy stand-up act.

In fact, one of the key routines in my adult act owes much thanks to a routine in Seriously Silly.
It's very "ME" and one day it just occured to me to use it my adult act. I've been using it ever since. Every show.
I use similar gags like I do in my kids show, almost as if I'm doing a kid's show, and it's very well received and fun to perform.

Performing for kids has really opened the doors to new creative ideas for my adult act.
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David Kaye
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Frank,

Which routine in Seriously Silly inspired your adult routine? That is wonderful to hear.
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G'day David
Yes - performing for audiences with children keeps me on the edge (learning edge).
I appreciate the complexity of the audience made up of different age groups and therefore their different ways of interacting.
As Ken mentioned above - not having mastered the social skill of the "art of kindness" ensures situations where I am challenged to improve my technique.
Thanks for taking the time to chat with us at the Café.
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