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Phred
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Hideo:
Funny you should ask about the history of the Gemini Twins effect. I was asking myself the same question.

I don't have the Fulves book, but I am familiar with the effect. It sounds similar to effects in The Secret Ways of Al Baker and Paul Curry's World's Beyond. (I'm at work so I don't have the books to hand so I can't give you the names of the tricks.)
I expect that because the principle is rather basic, many noted cardicians have come up with the same idea.

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Gemini Twins falls under the category of "The Spectator Creates the Magic". I like to perform this trick as a prelude to a larger trick. I propose that the spectator has magic abilities of prediction, and offer to give them a test to prove it. Gemini Twins, because it is only 2 pairs, is a small test. After it has concluded, I say that perhaps they are still not convinced, so I move on to a bigger test. At which point I have them do "Out of this World". These tricks work well together, because they both work out of the spectator's hands, and together they create the notion that the spectator really has the magic abilities.
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Hi, actually gemini twins is the same effect to the rainbow deck finding the soul mates.... except that in the rainbow deck, there are two added effects in that

1. the backs of the twins match, while the rest of the deck have different designs on the back

2. all the cards are ribbon spread to show that they are all ace of spade and the gemini twins are the only red cards in the deck....(assuming the gemini twins are jack of diamond with jack of hearts and queen of diamond with queen of hearts...)

I believe Lennart Green also has the same effect but his packet trick is called stolen cards...

I have no idea who came up with the trick, but I can tell you it is a great trick.... and karl Fulves' version allows you to do it impromptu...

but if not impromptu, I always prefer to do it with a rainbow deck....

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"but if not impromptu, I always prefer to do it with a rainbow deck...."

Which was originally a Nick Trost variant and sold by him. Another with Rainbow backed cards is now manufactured in India.

I prefer the simple version from "Las Vegas Kardma" (which Ackermann says is his own favourite)and matches up four queens with four kings.

Lewis Jones has an impromptu variant in print also.

Paul.
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On 2003-09-18 18:53, copterchris wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies.

cardguy : When I said that is was "too perfect" I think we may be talking at cross-purposes. I wasn't saying that the trick was too good, just referring to the 'too perfect' theory that says (paraphrasing) :

"That if a trick is presented in a manner that has, from the spectators view, no 'possible' explanations it causes them to try to reconstruct the trick and work out how it worked."

(I probably butchered that explanation but I hope it conveys the theory)



I understood what you were saying. I strive for effects that show absolutely no clues as to how it is achieved. That is why I disagree with the "Too Perfect Theory".

However, I DO think that giving an audience an "out" has it's place in certain situations, but not all.
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lperna asked about the availability of Karl Fulves' "Impromptu Opener." It's a couple of pages, stapled, no illustrations, and I doubt if it's available any longer.

But do yourself a favor (and everyone else as well) and send a stamped self-address envelope to Karl Fulves, P.O. Box 433, Teaneck, NJ 07666 and ask him what he has available (or about the availability of anything specific).

Matt Field
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I've used this as the penultimate phase in a "synchronicity" routine. See the trick of that name in the Jennings tome; think of other ways to force the matching of cards, such as Fan Forcing; and look at "A Paradox of Pairs" in the LePaul book, the Ackerman trick "Another Quick Coincidence" in the Ammar "Easy to Master..." series and Krenzel's clever fan prediction trick. There are many coincidence, matching and prediction tricks, including Open Prediction tricks, from which to fashion a tight, entertaining routine. My view is that "Gemini Twins" has a greater effect if presented in a series of other "soul mates" matching tricks accomplished via sleights.
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I own Magic For Dummies, and didn't see this trick in it. What is it called in the book?
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To: pasteboards for brains,

It is called soul mates in the Magic for Dummies book.

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Far from thinking this trick was "too perfect", I thought it could be improved.

Rather than fish through the deck for the two prediction cards, I get two spectators to name a card each, and then I do the trick with their two chosen cards.

Tom
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I do this trick regularly, but have twice been called, as the spectator spots the "discrepancy" and says, "but that's the card above it, not the one I stopped at."

It's a good trick, and worth risking!
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Thanks Steve. I have been looking for this trick, and was upset to find that most sources are hard to find. Now I know that I already have it.
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I too rediscovered how great this trick is within the past year. I think the presentational frame is the key to alleviating suspicion. I don't want to tip my presentation, but I will say that it involves stating a premise (that doesn't have anything to do with a deck of cards) before handing the deck to the spectator to shuffle.

I agree with Hideo Kato that a "hands-on" revelation is probably stronger than a "hands-off" one. When you touch the deck, you introduce a possible false solution, which (I think) interferes with the audience's analytical process. I am very careful not to refer to "the card you stopped on," but rather I point out that, "you stopped in two places, here [outjogging out the first pair] and here [ditto for second pair]." It is easy to get their assent to that fact, because it's true.

Thank you, Karl Fulves!

(Incidentally, perhaps the confusion about this being a Bro. John Hamman trick is a conflation of the Gemini Count and The Twins.)
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I posted a few weeks ago about Gemini Twins.

I have been playing with it a lot lately.

I like to snap my fingers over the cards to solidify a "magic moment".

In the warm up patter, I have usually already been handling the deck, so I know the target cards or in earlier chit chat, I get them to tell me their favorite cards. I have a book that tells the meaning of playing cards.

I don't have it here now, so I posted a similar web page if you are interested.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/terrir/playing_card_meanings.html

Either way, when I know the two cards, I start my patter talking about how much fun it is when the person helps you do something really magical and that sometimes we just have to create the opportunity for things to interconnect.

Once I've started the effect, I'll ask should I move one or two. Giving a choice that doesn't make a difference but thickens the misdirection.

When the deck is together and both cards have been placed, I'll ask what the two cards we put in were.

Then I snap my fingers, pause and spread the deck.

I get them to pull out the pairs with both hands, and I close up the deck. They now have the result in their hands to discover.

(I like putting things in their hands at the end).

Then I can do a bit of patter about the connectedness of the pairs, and how we worked together on it, that I couldn't have made that happen without their help, afterall they told me when to put the cards in. I marvel at the odds of it happening twice in a row.

Then I usually do something with the two pair. There is an effect in Fulves 2 (I think) where you use 8 cards, your important cards at 5 and 7 positions. After some flipping of cards, that pair winds up opposite to the rest (backs to fronts).

I like to do it after the Gemini Twins because it definitely shows the cards being manipulated.

cheers - el lamo
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Now that I've read this effect, I can comment that I also believe that this trick is too perfect. I also agree with Marko when I say that I don't believe too strongly in the too perfect theory.
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On 2003-09-22 07:12, sir_hugo wrote:
Far from thinking this trick was "too perfect", I thought it could be improved.

Rather than fish through the deck for the two prediction cards, I get two spectators to name a card each, and then I do the trick with their two chosen cards.

Tom

Tom,
I like your idea of using the spectators' cards, but don't you still have to fish them out along with culling their matching cards into place? Seems like it involves more deck handling then Fulves' routine.
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Yes, but the culling usually goes unnoticed. It's perfectly reasonable after all to ask for two cards to be named and then fish them out for the purpose of performing a trick with them.

Here's my sequence (sorry to moderators if this is "exposure.")

Working from the face of the deck, passing one card at a time from the left hand to the right, I keep going, past one or both of the cards named if need be, until I find one of the mates, and then I cut it to the face.

Now, I keep going until either I find one of the selected cards, in which case I up-jog it, or the other mate, in which case I cull it. I can then safely proceed to up-jog the remaining selected card (or cards) when it turns up.

With luck I will therefore have both mates in place before I encounter the two selected cards, which makes the whole process seem perfectly smooth and natural. I just have to put the two cards down in the right order.

Worst-case scenario is that I have to go past the second chosen card to find the second mate, in which case I square the deck leaving the first card out-jogged and pretend I missed the second card. Actually I know roughly where it is and I can find it quite quickly.

Hope this helps.

Tom
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In Secret Session, you can find my method of culling two matching cards while you are up-jogging two specific cards.

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Duffie has a version similar to Ackerman's in his 'Complusion' book. Can anyone comment on their differences?
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Which Fulves book is this in? His Self Working Card Effects book has a trick just called "TWINS."
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