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mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
I was chatting with a friend of mine, a plastic surgeon, and during the conversation the topic of kids came up. He told a few recent stories of parents bringing their children to see him.
One mom wanted her 12 year old son to have botox injections on the bottoms of his feet because he sweats and his feet, socks and shoes are smelly. Another mom wanted her daughter's nose corrected because it was too big and didn't resemble her nose-so people will not think she's not her daughter. Again a mother wanted her 10 or 11 year old daughter to have liposuction and corrective surgery on her neck as she was "seriously getting a second chin". There were more stories than these three, and all had one common denominator: mothers; not a single father had brought a kid in for consultation. In case someone wonders, my friend doesn't operate kids unless its an injury that requires corrective surgery. What the heck is wrong with these people? Ok, your son has smelly feet like most boys do and the daughter's nose is a bit big, tough luck, that's life! I mean if they want a pretty thing they can show around, they could get a ****ing poodle for heavens sake! Sheesh!
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Personally, I think these parents are potentially committing child abuse.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Wow, that's frightening. I wonder how many of those mothers gave any consideration to what their children want, or felt.
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mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
And what does it do to the kid's self-esteem? That and the thought "they don't like/love me..." following them thru childhood.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I've wondered for some time about the entire concept of labiaplasty. I've got many thoughts, but one of them involves parental consent. And to be honest, I cannot imagine a man giving parental consent to a minor getting labiaplasty.
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mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
Labiaplasty is something my friend didn't mention, so likely it hasnt come up. If its corrective due to a deformity...but I don't know whether its performed on minors even then. Never seen a minor in a labiaplasty myself-but many adults.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Well you can look it up. I don't want to post a link here, but I watched a documentary a few months ago that really freaked me out.
The point is that we are confusing "norms" with "beauty". And that is just sad. A mongloid child is beautiful, I would say, without need of getting some kind of plastic surgery to chang how he or she looks. Sure, a mongloid child isn't going to make the cover of the next Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue. But does that make the mongloid child somehow "wrong"? Or does it make the rest of us wrong for not seeing people how they deserve to be seen? |
mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
Very good point about norms and beauty Jeff.
Also, everyone doesn't need to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated!
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
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On 2012-01-23 13:01, mastermindreader wrote: I think the "potentially" is an extremely balanced and diplomatic word to put in that sentence. It shows that you are aware that we don't have all the facts and can't pass judgement. ....I wouldn't have put that word in there myself. I regularly have doubts as to my ability as a parent, but I think that's normal for a parent who cares. I also try very hard not to be too judgmental about parents, because I know how bad things can look out of context and I know how different parenting philosophies can be (we are very lucky to have families who support out fairly unconventional approach to education for example). I just really can't see, assuming these stories are true (and I have no reason to think they aren't), how these parents could be healthy for their children. Of course I could be wrong. It happens quite frequently. I used to think that the whole idea of purely cosmetic plastic surgery (not counting deformities) was disgusting. Then, when I read psycho-cybernetics, I learned that most of Maxwell Maltz's patients actually did feel better about themselves afterward; so I now I figure it's okay. ...Of course, the whole point of Maltz's book is that it isn't necessary. ...And that's adults not kids! I feel slightly nauseous when I think about a parent having this done for real, or even discussing this seriously with their child.
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Chrystal Inner circle Canada/France 1552 Posts |
I agree with the majority on most points...with the exception of Botox for over excessive sweating.
My friends, Dr(s)Allistar and Jean Curuthers, invented Botox. They never got a patent for their product so no they are not billionaires. I know them via rescue animals and not as a patient. They originally used the product for patients who suffered from abnormal sweating or excessive sweating which caused embarassment to the people involved. This was in regards to under arm sweating (hyperhydrosis) which is a real medical condition. It was only over time that people realized that paralyzing the muscles could also be used for facial lines and beauty enhancement. In the case of the mom who brought her son in for the sweating problem I think it's okay if the problem is over excessive sweating. However, saying that, Botox is also a toxin and must be done with caution and full research of the potential side effects. As for moms that want to change their kids appearance - I'd say no - not until the child reaches legal consent and can make their own decision. The dangers of any kind of surgery would far outweigh the need to enhance a kids features, even if they they begged for a procedure. Then again, what if the surgeon was fixing a cosmetic "imperfection" like cleft/mouth palate (think Operation Smile) or if a child was born with a facial abnormality? Then the decision become blurred. |
mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
I have to disagree on the botox, Chrystal. For a few reasons. Firstly a 12 year old is on the brink of puberty and hormonal changes can cause excessive sweating which will ease over time. Mine did in a year or so-I just went thru 4 pairs of socks a day before it did. The diminished sensitivity is also an issue, especially with kids feet. Treating sweating with botox needs quite a few injections. Not to mention it is unethical to use it on children as there still arent any sufficient studies on the long-term effects. Excessive sweating with kids should be treated with personal hygiene first and to see how the situation evolves.
I am all for corrective surgery, be it cleft palate or burn or whatever as such things can expose a child to bullying for instance. I use the term cosmetic surgery to refer to surgeries with no medical need.
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