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On 2012-01-28 14:45, critter wrote:
I would think you have the right
to do something and live, or give up and die.

I don't think its a right. I think it is an instinct do your best to survive.
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On 2012-01-28 14:45, critter wrote:
I would think you have the right to do something and live, or give up and die.


A right to defend your rights.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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No law, No rights.
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That's not what they told my family in Iran

http://www.educationunderfire.com

.....and they tell us Iran has plenty of laws for the common good of all


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Don't get me wrong, you can have no rights even WITH laws . This is very apparent. But without law, forget it.
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Seen the landscape before?
Running in circles?
What do the terms matrix, cyberspace and virtual reality ... have in common?
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On 2012-01-29 00:59, Jonathan Townsend wrote:

What do the terms matrix, cyberspace and virtual reality ... have in common?


They're all purple, except for the elephant.
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Apparently what the eloquent regrets was left in the peanut butter.

What do you call the sand beneath this castle?
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This whole thing is turning into a Björk song.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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On 2012-01-29 02:54, critter wrote:
This whole thing is turning into a Björk song.


Any one in particular?

Or was that something from a higher floor of that castle built on sand?
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"Purple Elephant Sand Castle." I think it's on the same album as "Hyperballad."
Here's some Hyperballad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CSiU0j_lFA
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How, specifically, does the Bjork item pertain to a discussion of rights and the social foundations which must be in place for that notion to have reliable operational meaning?
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On 2012-01-29 11:25, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
How, specifically, does the Bjork item pertain to a discussion of rights and the social foundations which must be in place for that notion to have reliable operational meaning?


They're both purple, obviously.
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Bob, purple is the color of the chemical that our retinas use to capture light and may well be the color of your sunglasses, though IMHO that does not suffice to help others see what or as you see - especially when it comes to "rights".

What must you find, even if colored purple, before you could believe in the notion of "rights" ?
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I'd agree with you that you that the concept of rights is meaningless unless viewed in terms of an underlying socio-legal structure. The notion of "inherent" rights is simply that. A notion without an empirical basis.
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If you mean 'meaningless' in the logical positivists' sense, I'd agree. However, many things that are meaningless are true.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Rights without means to enforce them are, essentially meaningless, I agree. However to assume that means a "legal" enshrinement of them is begging the question.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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So, basically, you have the right to whatever you can coerce people below you in the pecking order to allow you to do.
(If someone above you in the pecking order allows you to do something, that's not a right.)
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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On 2012-01-29 11:25, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
How, specifically, does the Bjork item pertain to a discussion of rights and the social foundations which must be in place for that notion to have reliable operational meaning?


It's a rythmic thing.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Okay, - though "pecking order" is realtime operational (also an "as seen from outside" thing) we need something to manage expectations for others who have not yet found their place in such.
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