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E.C. Valdemar Veteran user Orange County, CA 301 Posts |
Hello everyone. I've been a Mentalist and Magician for many years. Worked on my performance style, my character, my audience control, etc. etc. all that time. And now all those cool Derren Brown style mind control techniques are starting be work for me. So I'm interested in calling myself a Hypnotist and doing Hypnosis shows -- BUT I have little interest in doing the standard comedy Hypnosis Shows where I make people talk like Martians or smell something funny from the person sitting next to them.
So I was hoping to get some insight from professional Stage Hypnotist who have been working in this field. If I bill myself as a Hypnotist and do a show of nothing but mysterious mind and body control effects, will people appreciate that? Or will they be disappointed that they didn't see people acting goofy? Thank you for your time. ~Robert
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
In my experience although most do not know what hypnosis is or how it works, they do know that it is a fun, hilarious and unbelievable comedy performance. This through whatever reason (seen live show at college, in comedy clubs, county fair, Las Vegas or on Youtube) is what has become synonymous with stage hypnosis and what is expected.
What I wonder is why would you want to present it any other way? When done properly and to the audiences expectation a good stage hypnosis show has all the key elements of a great performance - drama, mystique, mystery, suspense, comedy & laughter, improv, audience interaction, intrigue, etc. To me it is and has always been the perfect form of entertainment - once it has been mastered. Both elements of the actual art and science of hypnosis AND the art of being a true entertainer. Once these two elements are mastered and then combined, I will put a good stage hypnosis show up against most any other type of live entertainment. If you bill yourself as a stage hypnotist you better be able to deliver the goods in the eyes of the audience or your hiring client. For most this is the main reason to hire or book a stage hypnotist or to attend a live performance. They do not want magic or tricks, they want to see this real and amazing phenomenon. They do not want to see a mind control guru or they want to see their friends (audience members) be the stars of the show, not you. The mysterious mind and body control things may have a place if mixed in with the much more comedic and physical routines, but I'm not so sure this alone would satisfy expectation. If that's the way you are choosing to go I would bill yourself as a stage hypnosis show I would look in a different direction. Just my professional opinion. This is in my opinion one of the reasons Derren Brown may have trouble connecting in this vein with American audiences. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Yeah I'm with Mindpro here Robert.
Unless you can demonstrate hypnosis you really shouldn't mention it. I think you'd get eaten alive. My advice is learn how to do hypnosis. Good luck to you.
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Jesse Lewis Loyal user 227 Posts |
For me personally it is preference to do a good comedy hypnosis show and not a mind control show and the reason is simply a mind control show is all about you where a god comedy hyp show is about the volunteers and the audience. It may be the only time they get the chance to actually be the stars of a show anywhere and I want my volunteers to go away feeling great at what they have done.
I think mind control style is kind of outdated and really performer and ego driven this is just my opinion but the best and longest running stage hypnotists of the past were not ego driven in my research any way. For many people the heavy I will control your mind is too scary for them and they may become afraid and not volunteer. When people see a mentalism show they expect to see it but when people see a hyp show they expect to see an amazing performance. There are a lot of factors to take into consideration and none of them have to do with you but with what your audience expects. it is the same reasoning that if I work with a crowd over the age of 50 I sometimes do a pr induction because that's what they expect while if working with a younger crowd |I do a longer induction. Suit your audience and you will win if not you will fumble in the dark
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Corrrection:
(Above I mistakenly said) "If that's the way you are choosing to go I would bill yourself as a stage hypnosis show I would look in a different direction." What I meant to say is I would NOT bill yourself as a stage hypnosis show and would look in a different direction. |
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E.C. Valdemar Veteran user Orange County, CA 301 Posts |
Thank you all for your insight. I'm going to have to consider all of this when putting together a show.
Mindpro that was wonderful reply. Thank you. By the by, you asked why would I want to present it any other way. Well...I can't give away too much about the theme and how I want to present it -- but let's just say I'm a huge fan of 1930's and 40's Old Time Radio plays. And the "Hypnosis" that was presented on those shows are absolutely intriguing to me on so many different levels. Also I am a story teller. When I perform Mentalism I tend to draw a lot of people into what I am doing by setting the mood. It's my strength and performance style.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
You need to look at Paul Voodini's Midnight Side of the Mind for ideas. Plenty of hypnosis type effects are possible without the comedy element.
I am most comfortable with comedy, but I can understand why someone would want to present it in a different way. Good luck.
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E.C. Valdemar Veteran user Orange County, CA 301 Posts |
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On 2012-01-30 09:50, TonyB2009 wrote: Tony thank you for telling me about Mr. Paul Voodini's work. I'm loving what I'm reading so far.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Delighted to spread the word. I used his Kiss of the Clairvoyant for a series of shows at Halloween, and it is very strong. At the moment I am building a hypnosis show that is less of the funny stuff (it will not be eliminated completely) and more of a Victorian medium feel. Don't know yet if it will work, but it is fun to speculate.
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E.C. Valdemar Veteran user Orange County, CA 301 Posts |
That's wonderful Tony. Best of luck to you w/ your new hypnosis show.
Have you read John Fisher's Body Magic? There is tons of effects and routines I love in that book.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I lost my copy driving through a flood - water got into the car, destroyed the engine, and destroyed the book! It is a great read though, full of wonderful quirky bits.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
There is no hypnosis in that book.
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Jesse Lewis Loyal user 227 Posts |
That's the thing mindpro I don't think E.C. valdemar is even wanting to do hypnosis but just frame his show in a way that it sounds like hypnosis.
As far as I am concerned do real hypnosis it plays well and if you can market pays very well.
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E.C. Valdemar Veteran user Orange County, CA 301 Posts |
Yes in a way, Jesse. I'm interested in making a show where I'm using Hypnosis to accomplish Mentalism and Bizarre Magick effects.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2012-01-30 23:04, Mindpro wrote: There is plenty more than hypnosis in many of our hypnosis shows.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
See he's just simply wanting to do tricks or effects with a hypnosis theme or look, but without doing actual hypnosis?
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E.C. Valdemar Veteran user Orange County, CA 301 Posts |
No. Mentalism and Bizarre Magick using Hypnosis as the M.O. Not billets or cards or gimmicks. Hypnosis. People are hypnotized -- but I'm not making them act goofy.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
That's what I had originally thought. Many here seem to always be looking for shortcuts or things that look like hypnosis but are truly not. This is why I questioned it, no offense to you.
You're talking about once in hypnosis having them execute your mentalism or bizarre magick content.Perhaps more mystical than comedic. Quote:
On 2012-01-31 05:53, TonyB2009 wrote: Spoken like a true magician doing hypnosis rather than from a stage hypnotist who performs hypnosis. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2012-01-31 05:44, E.C. Valdemar wrote: Why has this become the flavor of the month? My lord people are just not stupid. I can tell you that when you use the word "hypnosis" it has certain meanings and invokes certain types of ieas in the mind of people. You can actually hurt the outcome if you dash those by hinting at hypnosis and don't deliver. Call it something else. Make up a new word. Pretend to be educating them as to a process. Why use a word that people already have an idea of what to expect, then don't deliver? Most mentalists do this because they see the reaction a hypnosis show gets and are tired of gapped jaws and gasps and want more audience reaction. Disapointing them is not the way to get it.
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E.C. Valdemar Veteran user Orange County, CA 301 Posts |
Thank you Mindpro. And no worries. I think the fact that there was so much confusion shows how limited Hypnosis shows have become.
@Danny Doyle: I respectfully disagree.
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