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On 2012-02-09 04:34, diehards2080 wrote:
Hey critter if you get those vids going eventually let me know. I wouldnt mind watching them. I being trained in Wilderness Survial, Trapping, Tracking and Camo/Movement. Also practical survival skills in a city setting.


It's going to be very basic. I notice a lot of survivalists in books and TV like to show off advanced skills. I want this to be practical stuff that anyone can do with a minimum of training and under stress.
For example, instead of advanced artistic flint-knapping, we would throw a small rock at a bigger rock just to create a servicable cutting edge. The next lesson would be making cordage from natural materials.
Basic principles that people can expand upon.
The idea came from a running joke amongst my co-workers when I worked for the climbing store.
There'd be a new guy who'd say "I can survive with nothing but a knife." Then me or my best friend would say: "We just make a knife when we get there."
Then these Discovery channel shows came out and they just happened to have the right equipment, or it would be "found" on the way, and I thought, "That's great, but what if someone forgets their chocolate bar and bicycle spoke?"

It'll get done eventually, just not sure when.
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On 2012-02-09 13:04, balducci wrote:
But if the "world order" changes so much and things get so bad that you need guns to protect your family and your stash of food and supplies, I think you have already lost the battle and the war. Because if things get that bad, someone better armed than yourself (better armed members of the military, rogue militias, and / or mercenaries and private armies serving super rich members of the community) will be able to take you out without breaking a sweat.



Maybe in the long term, but what about a short term event that lasts ten days or two weeks? How long does it take a grocery store to run out of food? How quickly do people go into panic mode?

If you are living in a third world country, sure. But we've already experienced these short term events in first world countries (think earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, financial crashes) and nothing much happened to the world order or to most of our lives.

Hey, I'm all for keeping a few week's supply of food on hand. And guns are great for adding to one's food supply. I just don't buy into the idea that they will do much to save you in the doomsday situation I described (which seems to be the situation many Doomsday Preppers are concerned about).
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Relatively small, disorganized groups of looters, IMO, are a much more likely threat to a random private citizen than being taken out by a private army serving the super rich.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-02-09 13:47, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Relatively small, disorganized groups of looters, IMO, are a much more likely threat to a random private citizen than being taken out by a private army serving the super rich.

If any of these looters are armed and ready to be violent, I would put them into the "rogue militias" group I listed before (maybe not the best label).

I suppose if you want to talk about small disorganized groups of peaceful unarmed looters, that might be something else again. But in that case, you can just wave a broom at them and holler "shoo".
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On 2012-02-09 14:03, balducci wrote:

I suppose if you want to talk about small disorganized groups of peaceful unarmed looters, that might be something else again. But in that case, you can just wave a broom at them and holler "shoo".


Well, maybe CRITTER can, but I don't pick up 800-pound rocks and throw them around for fun...
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Me niether. The world record's only in the 500's. Smile
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On 2012-02-09 13:38, balducci wrote:
If you are living in a third world country, sure. But we've already experienced these short term events in first world countries (think earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, financial crashes) and nothing much happened to the world order or to most of our lives.

Hey, I'm all for keeping a few week's supply of food on hand. And guns are great for adding to one's food supply. I just don't buy into the idea that they will do much to save you in the doomsday situation I described (which seems to be the situation many Doomsday Preppers are concerned about).


I'm not really worried about the world order, post apocylypse, or anything like that. (I'm not even really worried about natural disasters to tell you the truth) Still, I could imagine a scenario where food, water, and electricial supplies could be cut off for a time. Or a certain area being isolated where suppiles wouldn't be able to get in for an extended period of time. I think a lot of our infrastructure is sketchier than we'd like to believe. Something that disrupts our water supply, or a large scale power grid failure, doesn't seem that far fetched to me. Or a massive earthquake bigger than we've ever seen before. If I were a prepper, which I'm not, that's what I'd focus on. Not so much zombies, or the poles flipping.

I don't think those people that live in remote compounds really have to arm themselves against an invading horde. But I could see things getting real ugly, real fast, in densely crowded urban areas if all the power and water were to go, and there was no food to be had anywhere. Even for a few days. A certain amount of panic would be bound to set in.

This prepping and survival thing seem to be very hot these days for some reason.

And if I were a prepper stockpiling food, water and weapons, I certainly wouldn't go around telling everyone about it.
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I think this threads existence is the signs of the apocalyptic period the world is currently going through lol

Seriously, the responses on this thread is summarized well by the disdain and sheer tragedy outlined by mastermindreaders post saying he doesn't want to live in this world.

To think that when (theoretically speaking) a massive asteroid hits the earth and wipes out 99.9% of the population, that the remaining individuals would simply go around and steal from each other or kill each other is a stain on the immaturity of the human heart. Seriously guys, go out and educate yourselves on what it is to be a valuable member of society, contributive, constructive, transformative, an educator and activist for the necessary qualities needed for the survival of the human race, not the destruction of it.

I can categorically assure you that there will be no physical Apocalypse in our lifetime, nor in our children's lifetimes, but if you really astutely look at this thread you would realize that the True Apocalypse mentioned in all the Books that you've read to define the term, actually refers to *now* and the evident decline of the human heart

Myself and mastermindreader will now go about removing ourselves from this world and go about creating a New World Order LOL ( because the current is decaying rapidly)

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I think this threads existence is the signs of the apocalyptic period the world is currently going through lol

Seriously, the responses on this thread is summarized well by the disdain and sheer tragedy outlined by mastermindreaders post saying he doesn't want to live in this world.

To think that when (theoretically speaking) a massive asteroid hits the earth and wipes out 99.9% of the population, that the remaining individuals would simply go around and steal from each other or kill each other is a stain on the immaturity of the human heart. Seriously guys, go out and educate yourselves on what it is to be a valuable member of society, contributive, constructive, transformative, an educator and activist for the necessary qualities needed for the survival of the human race, not the destruction of it.

I can categorically assure you that there will be no physical Apocalypse in our lifetime, nor in our children's lifetimes, but if you really astutely look at this thread you would realize that the True Apocalypse mentioned in all the Books that you've read to define the term, actually refers to *now* and the evident decline of the human heart

Myself and mastermindreader will now go about removing ourselves from this world and go about creating a New World Order LOL ( because the current is decaying rapidly)

Kam


Google "New Orleans looters" and read the articles that come up, then get back to me. Shouldn't take too long; there are only 380,000 hits.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-02-09 18:19, kambiz wrote:
I think this threads existence is the signs of the apocalyptic period the world is currently going through lol

Seriously, the responses on this thread is summarized well by the disdain and sheer tragedy outlined by mastermindreaders post saying he doesn't want to live in this world.

To think that when (theoretically speaking) a massive asteroid hits the earth and wipes out 99.9% of the population, that the remaining individuals would simply go around and steal from each other or kill each other is a stain on the immaturity of the human heart. Seriously guys, go out and educate yourselves on what it is to be a valuable member of society, contributive, constructive, transformative, an educator and activist for the necessary qualities needed for the survival of the human race, not the destruction of it.

I can categorically assure you that there will be no physical Apocalypse in our lifetime, nor in our children's lifetimes, but if you really astutely look at this thread you would realize that the True Apocalypse mentioned in all the Books that you've read to define the term, actually refers to *now* and the evident decline of the human heart

Myself and mastermindreader will now go about removing ourselves from this world and go about creating a New World Order LOL ( because the current is decaying rapidly)

Kam


Google "New Orleans looters" and read the articles that come up, then get back to me. Shouldn't take too long; there are only 380,000 hits.


Yes, and what exactly are you doing to PREVENT this from happening ever again?

There's a *** lot of work to be done in the world, the level of spiritual education (and by that I mean having respect for other peoples property, for example, showing courtesy, empathy, love) is at an all time Apocalyptic level....the moral decay is declining on a daily basis, and don't for a second think that the looting issue can be solved politically.

So, what are we, as individuals and collectively doing to sustainably transform people's hearts into spiritually well educated individuals?

Kam
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See- Heroic Information Project.
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I told you there was something special about you Critter Smile

Now THAT is some seriously proper Doomsday prepping, sustainable and long term

Are you personally involved in HIP?

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I only follow Dr. Z's work and comment on his Twitter from time to time. His University did attempt to recruit me though, and I gave it some serious consideration. Not ready to leave the state yet.
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It is your higher calling that guided you to get involved with Dr. Z

Everything in this life happens for a reason, one day you'll get involved I feel Smile

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Do people here think the Doomsday prepper thing is mostly a U.S. thing, or is it big elsewhere also? Is this a question that the National Geographic series is looking at?
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On 2012-02-09 18:19, kambiz wrote:
I think this threads existence is the signs of the apocalyptic period the world is currently going through lol

Seriously, the responses on this thread is summarized well by the disdain and sheer tragedy outlined by mastermindreaders post saying he doesn't want to live in this world.

To think that when (theoretically speaking) a massive asteroid hits the earth and wipes out 99.9% of the population, that the remaining individuals would simply go around and steal from each other or kill each other is a stain on the immaturity of the human heart. Seriously guys, go out and educate yourselves on what it is to be a valuable member of society, contributive, constructive, transformative, an educator and activist for the necessary qualities needed for the survival of the human race, not the destruction of it.

I can categorically assure you that there will be no physical Apocalypse in our lifetime, nor in our children's lifetimes, but if you really astutely look at this thread you would realize that the True Apocalypse mentioned in all the Books that you've read to define the term, actually refers to *now* and the evident decline of the human heart

Myself and mastermindreader will now go about removing ourselves from this world and go about creating a New World Order LOL ( because the current is decaying rapidly)

Kam


As I said in my original post, enjoy your folly. And re-read my original post. You might even learn something.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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The Mayan calendar 2012 isn't badly predicted, it's just probably not that accurate; they were magicians and soothsayers too, just like the Oracle at Delphi. It's all about natural calamities, which occur rather frequently over the millenia. The Tunguska Event in Russia circa 1910; the disappearance of the Minoans in Crete several thousands of years ago (attributed to volcanic activity creating a tsunami type of catastrophe), the vanishing of the Maya, and other civilizations, and the dinosaurs simply going extinct, all point to natural "universal" disasters.

That said, I don't believe the Maya predicted a special event, but rather just a natural event, which WILL occur sooner or later. They could be off by a few hundred or thousands of years. But they're right. Sooner or later Planet Earth is toast.

So in consideration of that, and assuming the "2012" disaster won't be a planetary collision which would simply blow us all into smithereens, let's consider the black hole, massive tsunami, nuclear holocaust, or whatever modern approach you can conjure up.

In all liklihood, humans will survive such a non earth shattering catastrophe but will suffer great distress in loss of infrastructure, communications, transportation, and all the conveniences of the modern world.

So.

While food, water and shelter are necessary for survival, and the most intelligent of us will have a cache of these things,one of the most essential items in your inventory to support your cache is a gun, preferably several of them...and plenty of ammunition to go with them.

I know, that will PO the anti gun folks, but let's face it, when it comes to you or me, and your wanting what I've got for survival and you try to take it from me, and you don't have a gun, you lose. Period. In times like this, forget sharing the wealth; it ain't gonna happen. If you think it will, then enjoy your folly. It's called survival of the fittest.....and better prepared.

If you have a gun (preferably guns), then you have a fighting chance against your aggressors from stealing your stuff. But without a gun or two, once again, you're toast....see you in the next universe!

As for me, I'll take all bets from folks who think December ? 1012 is our last day. I'll pay 100 to 1; bet must be placed by 11/30/2012. Just send me your money. I promise to pay if I lose.



When you say re-read my original post Bob1Dog, are you referring the post I have quoted above?


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Yup.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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So, firstly, with your bet at the bottom, are you betting that an "event" will happen this year, or not?

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