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Dannydoyle
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On 2012-02-14 17:15, gdw wrote:
Banning gang colours has got the be the epitome of a band aid to treat a cancer.


Ever been to a school where gangs are an issue? Been in a neighborhood where you can get shot for wearing Raiders colors? If not, then it is tough to pontificate about it and sound smart.
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I posted this link on another thread but actually it's more relevant here. If you think gang "colors" in schools aren't a problem, or that suggesting they be banned is "idiotic" as Glen states, just google "Gang colors public schools" and you'll find hundreds of links that show otherwise.

http://www.keepschoolssafe.org/school/gangs.htm
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On 2012-02-14 22:15, kambiz wrote:
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On 2012-02-14 17:25, kambiz wrote:
But gdw it has been already pointed out that the school environment is not the place to cure the cancer.


Pointed out? By a single authoritative figure? We all have jurisdiction on this and the school environment is most definitely one of the places this cancer can be and needs to be cured. The school environment is plagued with this cancer. Kids are being killed in their classrooms. Kids are committing suicide, leaving empty desks in their classrooms. Should that need to be repeated here? Kids are living and dying with this cancer in their classrooms and hallways. The school environment is directly involved and the root causes need to be dealt with directly by those who oversee the school environment.

As for the tone isssue, Bob, Lobo: Bob, you said you didn't intend any ridicule. My point was your tone indicated otherwise.


Unfortunately, I completely disagree with you here Laurie. It is my humble opinion that the education required to cure this cancer starts at home, and it starts with the parents. IN FACT, I am all for state run "spiritual parenting programs" that all would-be parents be subsidised to go through prior to becoming parents.....thats where the cure to this cancer will be found...THEN, and only then can teachers FINALLY find some progress in their work...teachers and parents need to be on the same page

But, I only offer this as a basis for further discussion here, its not my idea, its just an offer for voluntary exploration Smile

Kam


Wait, did you actually just advocate for a state run parenting course for future parents?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2012-02-14 22:28, gdw wrote:
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On 2012-02-14 17:25, kambiz wrote:
But gdw it has been already pointed out that the school environment is not the place to cure the cancer.


Pointed out? By a single authoritative figure? We all have jurisdiction on this and the school environment is most definitely one of the places this cancer can be and needs to be cured. The school environment is plagued with this cancer. Kids are being killed in their classrooms. Kids are committing suicide, leaving empty desks in their classrooms. Should that need to be repeated here? Kids are living and dying with this cancer in their classrooms and hallways. The school environment is directly involved and the root causes need to be dealt with directly by those who oversee the school environment.

As for the tone isssue, Bob, Lobo: Bob, you said you didn't intend any ridicule. My point was your tone indicated otherwise.


Unfortunately, I completely disagree with you here Laurie. It is my humble opinion that the education required to cure this cancer starts at home, and it starts with the parents. IN FACT, I am all for state run "spiritual parenting programs" that all would-be parents be subsidised to go through prior to becoming parents.....thats where the cure to this cancer will be found...THEN, and only then can teachers FINALLY find some progress in their work...teachers and parents need to be on the same page

But, I only offer this as a basis for further discussion here, its not my idea, its just an offer for voluntary exploration Smile

Kam


Wait, did you actually just advocate for a state run parenting course for future parents?


I advocated a state-run parenting course for everyone from the age of 15....there you go Smile

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In fact, all children from a specific age that will be decided by the state MUST do a parenting course AT SCHOOL....thats what I'm advocating Smile

Have at me Glen, go for it.....

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....and by parenting course, I'm not talking about how to make your wife more comfortable during labour, but rather, what to do when you see your child is developing aggressive tendencies, what is discipline? how to enforce boundaries, honoring the human spirit, striving for excellence in all undertakings, recognizing the essential sanctity of human life, appreciating beauty, I could go on for days....

Kam
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On 2012-02-14 22:11, gdw wrote:
I got that, my reference was a, clearly missed, attempt at humor.


My response was a "just in case"... Smile
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On 2012-02-14 22:33, kambiz wrote:
In fact, all children from a specific age that will be decided by the state MUST do a parenting course AT SCHOOL...


So SCHOOL is one place to begin to cure the cancer, then, yes? And TEACHERS will teach STUDENTS "what to do when you see your child is developing aggressive tendencies, what is discipline? how to enforce boundaries, honoring the human spirit, striving for excellence in all undertakings, recognizing the essential sanctity of human life, appreciating beauty..." Yes? And you completely disagree with me?
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On 2012-02-14 16:49, gdw wrote:
I gathered as much. I wasn't complaining. Thanks though. My comment that it made no sense was just an attempt to reiterate that the policy of banning gang colours makes no sense.

Also, thanks Laurie.

It makes perfect sense.
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Well Laurie, it depends on which generation we are talking about. If we want to see some improvements now, we need to educate the parents at home. If we want to see sustainable improvements then it is the future generations of parents that require that education. Once those children grow up to be responsible parents and can utilize the parenting education they have received, then they can COMPLEMENT the education their children receive at school by advocating and enforcing the principles at home.

The education of children to be effective parents of the future must therefore occur at school AND at home....this is the balance

Societal problems will reduce drastically if something like this was implemented...

Kam
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On 2012-02-14 14:51, magicalaurie wrote:
Bob, gdw was just chided by aces for indicating he's aware of what gang "colors" represent and now you're ridiculing him because he's obviously unaware?


Do you pay attention to what is posted and what it means?
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Is there an app for this, or maybe a video game?
can this get done between commercials or perhaps instead of something else, say music or painting?

what if some parents don't want their kids taking communion from the clown under the golden arches and instead want their kids to give props to the king of burgers or perhaps to attend at the house of the young lady of the fries and neverland?

the brown fizzy water with the red and white logo or the brown fizzy water with the red white and blue logo - it's gang colors again, right?
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Oh Sh#t , we lost Townsend again. Its gonna be okay Jon.
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http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/gangs.html

"Gangs are a community problem, but schools are a part of that community and cannot operate in isolation while hoping that the gang members will drop their gang alliances and activities once they cross the schoolhouse door."

Take their clothing colours away, if you like and you can manage it- maybe you ought to cut their hands off at the same time. And you might as well cut out their tongues while you're at it. Gangs flash their "colours" in more ways than one.
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gdw

If you guys think gang colorsis not an issue you definitely live in la la land. You are removed fromreality and the real world. Perhaps youboth live shelteredlives but I believe gdw just likes to disagree because he seems to think tellling anyone what to do is a bad thing. He mush prefers chaos and do as you want otherwise known as the gdw way of living. Answer to no one and have no responsibility...just do it if you want, its all good, this is known as "the gdw way".

Laurie I truly believe you have lived a very sheltered life which in of itself is not a bad thing. However it does not give you a true picture of things. Of course this is just my theory about you and if you wish to disagree go right ahead. But try and speak from experience rather than what believe things are. Speak of experiences that life has thrown at you.

Face facts there are gangs and they have colors and many of them are bad people and if you so much as look at them wrong you are in a world of hurt. They do not ride horses all day or live in nice places or catch butterflies. They live a different lifestyle that you are not familiar with, nor do you really want to be. Colors is not a discussion thing with them it is a way of life and means very much to them so do not take it lightly when one says to ban colors is not a big deal...it is a very big deal to these people and could go a long way in curbing violence.
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"Recognizing Gangs
Typically, people look for graffiti or bandannas as the main indicators of a gang presence. However, gang indicators can be quite subtle, particularly as awareness increases among school officials, law enforcement, parents, and other adults.

Depending upon the specific gang activity in a specific given school or community, gang identifiers may include:

Graffiti: Unusual signs, symbols, or writing on walls, notebooks, etc.
"Colors": Obvious or subtle colors of clothing, a particular clothing brand, jewelry, or haircuts (But not necessarily the traditional perception of colors as only bandannas)
Tattoos: Symbols on arms, chest, or elsewhere on the body
"Lit" (gang literature): Gang signs, symbols, poems, prayers, procedures, etc. in notebooks or other documents
Initiations: Suspicious bruises, wounds, or injuries resulting from a "jumping in" type initiation

Handsigns: Unusual hand signals or handshakes
Behavior: Sudden changes in behavior or secret meetings"
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Gangs are about belonging and the loss of community. Families and schools are a place where that community can be built--but it takes a commitment to build those institutions, and a commitment to children. In this country where we put our money where our mouth is, every budget I've seen shows children are not a major priority.
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You don't know anything about the reality of my life or where I've come from, aces. Would you like me to lay it all out for you here? Perhaps everyone who agrees with me should also complete a public qualifying questionnaire before they post any further comments here?
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On 2012-02-14 23:32, magicalaurie wrote:
You don't know anything about the reality of my life or where I've come from, aces. You're still skirting.


So then you profess to have knowlege of gangs and gang related incidents.

Banning colors helps reduce their identity and gives them less confidence. Whereas having colors creates unity among gang members in shcool. How difficult is this to understand?
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What you gonna do about the rest of their colours? Those that aren't obviously displayed with their clothing? Or if they are clothing related, subtly so. Those posted above, plus these:

http://www.gangwatchers.org/gang-dress.html

and more...
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