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Gerry Hennessey
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An eledrly friend of mine with a degenerative hip condition was directed to a "medical intuitive". (Apparently a "healer" who sees inside the body?) This "intuitive's" diagnosis was that that the doctors and specialists she had seen had mis-diagnosed her condition. She promptly cancelled the hip replacement surgery and opted for some physiotherapy. Moreover, one month later, she is now walking without her cane and credits entirely her visit to this "healer".

My question is. Does anyone have any experiences or thoughts on these "intuitive healers" ? Personally, I'm with James Randi on this.

Any thoughts?

Best to all

Gerry
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In my opinion, a load of Bull! Mr/Mrs medical intuitive just got lucky. I seem to remember that there was a young girl from Southern Russia a number of years ago claiming something similar. I am a little sketchy on the full details because I never took it serious to pay enough attention. Anyway, she agreed to take part in a TV programme and entered into some "set conditions" to perform her miracles. Surprise Surprise she got busted! If memory serves, she brought her Mother along (The tests were conducted in America) and the mother kept saying that her daughter wasn't feeling well, hence the failures.

I'm pleased that your friend is feeling better. However, never underestimate the "Power" of positive thinking and also self healing, but in regards to the "Healer", - reminds me of the sound of a Duck, Quack!
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Actually I just clicked on your website Gerry. Oddly enough there are a lot of links (unintentional) in my two replies and your fascinating trailer. Bit of a "Twlight Zone" moment! Smile
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Research Edgar Cayce and his sessions in the 40's. There's 50,000 transcribed sessions of his, most being of a medical nature.

I'd sure want some proof of ability before I'd trust anyone current who claimed to be one, tho. Serious proof.
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So, Mr. Wannabe, without any research whatsoever, you've determined that it was nothing but luck. So if this person was wrong, it would mean the person was a fake and because they were right it meant they were lucky.

Sounds to me like you have a closed mind with a dogmatic attitude worthy of the finest religious fundamentalist.

I know, your response is that I'm just a dumb true believer. Sorry, pal. I believe in real science, not your dogmatism. I believe in real skepticism, not your debunker attitude.

Herbert Spencer wrote: "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorancethat principle is contempt prior to Investigation"

To Gerry: part of the problem you're having is that you're grouping all "medical intuitives" (whatever that means) into a bunch. Some may be real. Some may be self-deluded. Some may be outright frauds. The only way you can know about the particular person your friend went to would be by investigating that individual.

In the one case you described the person has a 100% success record. Of course, we'd have to look at many more instances to even have a beginning belief about the person. Indeed, it might be luck. Personally, I am highly wary of anyone without an MD who says to drop professional care for other care. Did the "intuitive" tell your friend which therapist to go to? That would make me even more suspicious. If they didn't tell them which person to go to I would be less suspicious of motivation.

The bottom line, however, is that your friend is better. Or at least your friend appears better. I would respectfully suggest having your friend at least checked by an MD (better a specialist) for verification of the changes.

I would also wonder why are you having such a difficult time rejoicing in the improved health of your friend. Is it because what happened threatens your personal belief system?
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My Stepmother went to see John of God twice in Brazil for a deteriorating heart condition.
To be honest I had/have a hard time believing in him, but I'm open to being wrong.

Her heart condition (and a few others) stabilized and she did not need any of the surgeries that were scheduled.
This was several years ago now and she is still okay.

Of course, she was still being monitored by doctors and if she had not stabilized she would have had the operation.
I'm not in favor of ignoring standard western medicine but supplementing it.

On the other hand I know of a lot of cases of Western doctors complicating situations or making them worse, just as with non-western medicine.
Needless surgeries and medicine and don't even get me started on how births are treated here!!!
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There are lots of Drs. doing lots of unessisary operations I've been told. But it's unfair to say it's simply coincidense when a guy says I'LL HEAL YOU and he does.
We are currently performing and experiment along these lines. I will let you know how it goes either way.
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Have a watch of the discovery channels "the witch doctor will see you know" if you're interested in this question.
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Firstly, I'd like to say a big thank you for those who took the time to respond to my post.

However, I should have qualified that post by adding that the "healer" had also available a colleague who provided for an extra fee, an "emotional healing".

This in essence, was as accurate as a "cold read" can be. Meaning that it was as meaningful a cold read as I, or any of my colleagues could have provided and was in fact what prompted my initial curiosity.

To DMKraig
Thank you too for your thoughtful response. I don't know why you think I don't rejoice in the apparent recovery of my friend, indeed I do. My personal belief system is not threatened and I don't have a closed mind to any possibilities. Indeed, "all we know, is not all there is to know".

To: innercirclewannabe
I appreciate your comments on my website and for your input let me add "Go raibh mile maith agat. Maith Fear".

To: Walter
A fascinating story and thank you for passing it along.

Best

Gerry
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It’s pretty arrogant to call anything “bull”, for the same reason that atheists can’t disprove God. We haven’t seen it all, and we haven’t done it all.

We do know (medical fact) that an individual’s mental belief influences their physical health, one of the reasons that every major medical study (in the U.S. at least) includes a series of “double blind” tests, designed to factor in the “placebo effect” (NOT the same thing as negating a psychosomatic experience).

We know that certain individuals have responded to massive doses of humor, and the guys over in “Getting Sleepy” could offer up dozens of admittedly anecdotal but still verifiable treatments enacted with nothing more than a few well targeted words.

The problem as I see it is not with whether someone “gets well” or not; obviously it does happen. The real issue is in whether the active force is coming from the “healer” or the “patient’s” own mind.

It’s true that when we place our focus only on the healer, we tend to forget the failures, an unfortunate shortcoming which seems to lend power to the skeptics. But if we were to expand our focus to look more closely at the patient, in particular the HISTORY of the patient, it might be that healing is simply a matter of finding the right combination(s) of belief, diet, selective abstinence, and ritual (including taking medication).

If someone waving their hands over my head will trigger something in my subconscious that increases immune function, yes, I’ll go stand in line. (I do personally think there’s more at work here, but for now, we’ll stay with what’s distinguishable.)

Assuming no harm to the patient, the only valid argument I’ve ever heard was that this practice may delay an individual from seeking “legitimate” medical treatment. In some cases, even this begs the question, “Why hasn’t medical ‘science’ already effected a cure?”

Who’s to say what the next “chicken soup” will be?
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Thanks Gerry, written by a man with pure class! (BTW, really looking forward to the book. I have relatives in Russia.)

It is a pity to see that there are also members here who are the polar opposite of class.
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On 2012-02-14 15:02, Slim King wrote:
There are lots of Drs. doing lots of unessisary operations I've been told. But it's unfair to say it's simply coincidense when a guy says I'LL HEAL YOU and he does.
We are currently performing and experiment along these lines. I will let you know how it goes either way.

I hope the "experiment" doesn't affect the well-being of anyone whose health is your responsibility.
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On 2012-02-14 16:50, Randwill wrote:
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On 2012-02-14 15:02, Slim King wrote:
There are lots of Drs. doing lots of unessisary operations I've been told. But it's unfair to say it's simply coincidense when a guy says I'LL HEAL YOU and he does.
We are currently performing and experiment along these lines. I will let you know how it goes either way.

I hope the "experiment" doesn't affect the well-being of anyone whose health is your responsibility.
Of course not. I've never risked anyone's health. But this is the most interesting thing I've been a part of. AMAZING STUFF!
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In my personal experience on two different occasions, one of the intuitives that I used was slightly helpful and the other one wasn't. Then again, that is comparable to my experience with medical doctors Smile
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On 2012-02-15 02:08, corsufle wrote:
In my personal experience on two different occasions, one of the intuitives that I used was slightly helpful and the other one wasn't. Then again, that is comparable to my experience with medical doctors Smile


yup.
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"Healers" ultimately rob the terminally ill of time.
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Given that all drugs have side effects and that all surgical procedures have risks, the undoubtedly best way to heal is self-healing. Alas it is a little understood phenomena that seems to need some kind of catalyst - some call it the placebo effect but regardless ANYTHING that MIGHT trigger a self-healing in a person is to be welcomed so long as all concerned are honest about the process.
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When Science FAILS... Do you condemn those who look elsewhere?
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