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I wish. My high school had the nastiest pseudo-burgers I've ever had in my life.
Had to pile the condiments on those things to make them tolerable.
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On 2012-02-16 14:18, Woland wrote:
Thanks, Lobo & Rockwall.

Whether the enforcer was employed by the State or the Feds, he or she was acting on the basis of Federal guidelines, from the USDA.

Moreover, a current SCOTUS Justice was asked about just this sort of situation during her confirmation hearings:

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On Tuesday evening, Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) posed a hypothetical question to Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan: If Congress passed a law that said Americans “have to eat three vegetables and three fruits, every day … does that violate the Commerce Clause?”

“Sounds like a dumb law,” Kagan replied.

…I think that the question about whether it is a dumb law is different from the question of whether it’s constitutional. And I think the courts would be wrong to strike down laws that they think are senseless just because they’re senseless.

COBURN: Well, I guess the question I’m asking you is: Do we have the power to tell people what they have to eat every day?

KAGAN: Senator Coburn, um…


And as James Lileks puts it:

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I guarantee you this: when this program - whatever the devil it is - was first proposed, someone said it will lead to inspectors demanding to see what’s in kid’s lunches, and insisting they eat something else instead of what mom sent. And the critic got a cold, withering look from the good people in charge. i][Really. I think that’s a little overboard.[/i]

You could say: yank the kid! Private schools! But they’ll be next; there’s no possible argument left for letting some private institution wreak their havoc on juvenile constitutions, particularly if they partake of some governmental benefit, like “Streets” or “water” or perhaps clean air.

Yes, I know. Really. I think that’s a little overboard.


I apologize for misreading the original news story and assuming that the Department of Health and Human Services mentioned was a Federal rather than a North Carolina entity. But the guidelines are clearly Federal, and the impulse to control every facet of daily life is quite strong in those who advocate bigger government.

And your taxes are paying for it.


A million monkeys typing on a million keyboards for a hundred million years couldn't come up with 5 things that wouldn't be construed to fall under the Commerce Clause anymore.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-02-16 14:33, landmark wrote:
Word on the street is that the Heart Attack Grill has aced the contract . . .

Now THAT sounds like a plan!
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I wish. My high school had the nastiest pseudo-burgers I've ever had in my life.
Had to pile the condiments on those things to make them tolerable.

Sounds like we went to the same school. It took me years to break the habit of automatically pilling them on any burger before tasting it.
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LOL. And those 5 things would be construed to fall under "general welfare."
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On 2012-02-16 13:32, rockwall wrote:
Wow, talk about over the top.


While I do have a problem with just about everything he posts, which is usually just to stir up trouble.

Perhaps I picked the wrong day to break my rule of not reading a thread he starts and ignoring thread I had been in once he enters.

I got a call from the hospital this morning saying my dad will be released tomorrow because they can't do anything for him - after a week of 24 hour observation and tests. My apologies for butting in.

Butting back out now.
- B.H.
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They’re trying everything to destroy the American Constitution.
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What. The. ****?

Am I the only one who noticed?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Anywho. Forcing kids to buy their lunch, and then there's bribing them to show up in the first place:
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2012/02/13......-school/
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Well bribery does work, if intermittent. So they're doing it wrong if that's the only goal.
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On 2012-02-16 13:32, rockwall wrote:
Wow, talk about over the top.


While I do have a problem with just about everything he posts, which is usually just to stir up trouble.

Perhaps I picked the wrong day to break my rule of not reading a thread he starts and ignoring thread I had been in once he enters.

I got a call from the hospital this morning saying my dad will be released tomorrow because they can't do anything for him - after a week of 24 hour observation and tests. My apologies for butting in.

Butting back out now.
- B.H.


Very sorry to hear this, Bill.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-02-16 15:40, Bill Hilly wrote:
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On 2012-02-16 13:32, rockwall wrote:
Wow, talk about over the top.


While I do have a problem with just about everything he posts, which is usually just to stir up trouble.

Perhaps I picked the wrong day to break my rule of not reading a thread he starts and ignoring thread I had been in once he enters.

I got a call from the hospital this morning saying my dad will be released tomorrow because they can't do anything for him - after a week of 24 hour observation and tests. My apologies for butting in.

Butting back out now.
- B.H.



And my opinion would be the exact opposite. For instance, I have never seen Woland do something like claim someone else's sole motivation is to stir up trouble or to attack someone personally.

I have found Woland's posts, while certainly espousing a certain political viewpoint, are nearly always well thought out, informative, and politely presented and presented with strong supporting logic.

I suspect that is what so many find so irritating about him.

Sorry to here about your father.
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Thank you Lobo. I appreciate it.

I only mentioned that to explain my shortness of temper. These are trying times for a lot of us and I hope to remember not to post negative or critical replies when in this frame of mind. Heck, this is supposed to be one of my refuges. I don't want to alienate myself (too much).

That said, I do agree that the aforementioned situation, if indeed true, is clearly going overboard. I can see something being done if a child is apparently malnourished or neglected in some other way. That would be a safety type of thing. But if the child is well and the lunch is not moldy or somesuch then it should be the parent's business.

- B.H.
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Thanks rockwall.

- B.H.
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"If this is not despotism, what is?"

Easy. Real despotism is when a public figure betrays their sworn duty to serve and protect, and to otherwise support and defend the Constitution.

The official in this story did nothing to betray the public trust or their sworn oath.

It very well could be that the official overstepped their authority. The article says that the actions won't be repeated, which is good to know. But the title "despot" does NOT apply here.
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It's government gone wild out there, and I am pretty sure the fat woman already sang but nobody noticed due to all the other distractions.
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On 2012-02-16 18:06, Chance wrote:
Real despotism is when a public figure betrays their sworn duty to serve and protect, and to otherwise support and defend the Constitution.

Your definition seems to be at odds with that of Merriam-Webster:

des·po·tism

1a : rule by a despot
b : despotic exercise of power
2a : a system of government in which the ruler has unlimited power : ABSOLUTISM
b : a despotic state


Let's check despot, to fill in the blanks:

des·pot

1a : a Byzantine emperor or prince
b : a bishop or patriarch of the Eastern Orthodox Church
c : an Italian hereditary prince or military leader during the Renaissance
2a : a ruler with absolute power and authority
b : a person exercising power tyrannically


2b seems about right: the guy looks like a despot to me.
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The official looks more like a Barney Fife to me. And the fact that they told him to knock it off and he backed down, kind of undermines his "despotness" a bit.
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On 2012-02-16 18:30, mastermindreader wrote:
The official looks more like a Barney Fife to me. And the fact that they told him to knock it off and he backed down, kind of undermines his "despotness" a bit.


That's exactly right...he's trying to create his own little Fifedom.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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The job of the government appears to be to make certain they have jobs. Lets put the above hyperbole behind us, and lets not use words like "despot" and such. Does anyone think it is the job of the state to regulate individual lunches that moms and dads pack?
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