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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
It's so nice when people take discussions seriously.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I totally understand not having patience for semantics, parsing sentences, "word games," etc. But it's not an attitude that's going to get one through law school (let alone a bar exam), when guilt or innocence, constitutionality, liability, etc can hinge, literally, on the presence or absence of a comma.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
You do realize that the Constitution itself is full of misspelled words, and that the version passed by Congress is not even the same version that was ratified by the States? In fact ... I believe the 2nd Amendment in particular has differences in where the comma's go. I'm amused at how you use these "word games" to defend it.
You come from a digital age where documents can be copied to exact standards ... such technology has not always existed, when the Constitution was written there wasn't even a standardized dictionary. So while you may expect such high standards ... those standards do not exist in the history you cherish and value so much. And for the record ... this isn't law school, and I am not about to waste that amount of time proof-reading my posts. I'm not being graded here, and nobody's guilt or innocence is hanging on my words. It's an internet forum ... that's all! Nothing more. To hold my posts up to the standards of a Bar Exam is exactly the type of nonsense I don't have the patience for. -JoeJoe
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
JoeJoe, many of those "differences" we're intentional changes. Many of which are still th focus of discussion today.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
It's Internet, not internet. I should post this in the Pet Peeves thread.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Anyone who shirks jury duty should be arrested and charged.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-02-19 19:49, JoeJoe wrote: While you may not be graded here, your common sense is definitely an issue and on display. You are definitely correct in what you say when you say and I quote, "And for the record ... this isn't law school, and I am not about to waste that amount of time proof-reading my posts." If it was law school I think you would be out on your dupie quite a while ago. Another quote from you: "To hold my posts up to the standards of a Bar Exam is exactly the type of nonsense I don't have the patience for." The only answer I can give you to that is then don't aruge about law or legal issues, especially with someone who does undersand the law, because everything you say is scrutnized when you say it in law. In fact it is all recorded for further refrence if a question arises at a later time on what exactly waas said. So with your attitude maybe you should post about something not as serious as law here in The United States. Try mayabe postiing about your doublelift. That is more your speed. I assume you felt the draft was also like slavery. You are definitely an unusual American. Not a bad one just a little unusual in your outlook on the way this country has been run for over 200 hundred years. By your standards it has been run incorrectly and yet it has prospered and like it or not we are the greatest nation on this planet and will remain there. Whether "you" agree with this is your opinion. You may prefer Iraq, or China, or Russia I don't know you may have another one in mind. I do not profess to be an expert or even a noviee on the law, just an American who thinks jury duty is not only an honor but a necessity and one of the fundemental doctrines that make this country great. Obviously you think differently. That is what makes this country so great...you don't have to agree just follow the law. If you donot wish to serve on a jury you can get out of it legally.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
Blah blah blah ... people that were drafted were paid above minimum wage for their "civic duty" ... blah blah blah.
And I am not the only American that is opposed to the draft, and that does not make me "unusual" ... blah blah blah. The thing that you internet lawyers never seem to realize is that our system was designed to change, so while you want to protect the way things have been done for the last 200 years ... I am more concerned with how things will be done over the next 200 years. -JoeJoe
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On 2012-02-19 19:49, JoeJoe wrote: Why did you put an apostrophe in the word "commas"? |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-02-19 23:27, JoeJoe wrote: Do you really plan to be around for the next 200 years? If so I think I am startiing to understand you a little better If youi know what I mean. By the way are you trying to impress us with the legal phrase of "Blah blah blah"? Because I think it speaks volumes of your intelligence.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-02-19 23:27, JoeJoe wrote: I think you're the "Internet lawyer" here, offering your opinion on the future fate of a century-old seminal Constitutional law case. At least two of the people you're bandying words with are (or were) actual-in-real-life lawyers. Which is fine...everyone's entitled to his opinion, but until you've actually learned a bit about constitutional analysis, you're just talking...well, not out of your mouth. Especially when you're arguing with people who HAVE gone to law school, passed the bar, and practiced law. Besides, it's disrespectful. Bob and I don't tell you how much Secret Sauce to put on the top bun. Hey now!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-02-19 23:31, acesover wrote: Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise. - Thomas Gray, Ode on a Distant Prospect at Eton College |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-02-19 23:53, LobowolfXXX wrote: Can I get some fries with that? |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
No I don't know what you mean. And while I don't expect to be around for the next 200 years, I do expect our "system" to be around for the next 200 years. And it is my civic duty to attempt to shape and form that system into something better than it was when I found it. That means speaking my mind and expressing my opinions, even when they are not popular.
And I stand by what I said: that forcing the citizenship to perform jury duty is a violation of the 13th Amendment. You shouldn't need an "excuse" to get out of jury duty, you should be able to just tell the judge "I don't want to serve". And if jurors were paid the Federally Mandated Minimum Wage, you would have a long line of willing jurors and it wouldn't matter if someone didn't want to serve. In Horry County, you get paid $15 a day and 20 cents per mile. So if you drive an SUV from the other side of that county, you could actually end up losing money. They actually raised that mileage to 20 cents after fending off too many complaints when gas prices soared a few years ago. This is common sense guys - be serious here! You are mocking my intelligence? That's laughable! You are the ones that obviously don't know what you are talking about - you shouldn't have to pay to be a juror! It shouldn't cost you money! And the legal phrase "blah blah blah" is a subtle hint that these attacks on me are off topic and have nothing to do with jury duty or Facebook. Basically a meaningless waste of everyone's time. But whatever, I don't care. -JoeJoe
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
You have to love working your ass off for a J.D., and then applying that knowledge in the real world, just to be told by random internet guy that it doesn't mean squat.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-02-20 00:10, JoeJoe wrote: Personally, I'm not mocking (or questioning) your intelligence. Seriously. Just your certainty in the face of what seems to be no particular specialized knowledge of an extremely demanding and intricate area of graduate study.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On 2012-02-20 00:10, critter wrote: Who me? I don't think jury duty mean squat ... I think it is a very important duty, and worth being paid for. It is just as important as the job that the judge is being paid to do. I believe at some point in this thread I even indicated that a juror should be paid as much as a Congressman. Quote:
On 2012-02-20 00:17, LobowolfXXX wrote: I don't need a graduate degree to know when the government is taking advantage of me. I don't give a rat's rear end what the current laws say or don't say, whatever they say they need to be changed to become a "more perfect union". Perhaps I feel it is slave labor because of how many times I have been forced to do it. Hmmm... -JoeJoe
Amazing JoeJoe on YouTube[url=https://www.youtube.com/user/AmazingJoeJoe]
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Okay, sorry I called you "random internet guy." I just get really sick of people going around dismissing credentials like they don't mean anything. Even moreso with actual real-world experience in the area that a person is credentialed in.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-02-20 00:25, JoeJoe wrote: I mean Juris Doctorate, not jury duty.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-02-20 00:25, JoeJoe wrote: No, but you could use one if you want to have an informed opinion on the constitutionality of laws (or lack thereof), or whether a particularly Supreme Court decision was rightly or wrongly decided, and what its potential implications are.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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