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On 2012-03-03 23:35, Atom3339 wrote:
*mumble, mumble, mumble* (something about Judah being special and the majority being chopped liver)...


Well I hope they have done it for others here, Otherwise I am special. Though I have no idea why I would have been selected, as I am no one special..... ('cept to my mommy...)

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[quote]On 2012-03-03 13:47, GaryLee wrote:
It basiclly comes down to personal choice. But, if all those who oppose the marketing and secrecy behind realsecrets stop posting here, the thread would be rather boring. There might of been maybe 1 page of posts and that's it if it wasn't for the controversy. Realsecrets would not even be talked about as much as it is right now. Most of the reason why realsecrets is getting so much attention is because of those "naysayers" who keep the topic fresh and alive.
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Actually the naysayers are not keeping anything fresh and alive, they are hoping to create controversy and are desperate for attention. I have to assume they are either immature or very lonely.

I happen to know someone involved in this project. It is 100% legitimate. There is no scam here. I've paid my money and am looking forward to the surprises to come. Those who are skeptical are welcome to sit on the sidelines and wait for reactions.

Terry
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On 2012-03-03 23:20, FrenchDrop wrote:

If the principals skip the country with the loot...


Too late, I have inside information the principles are operating out of an underground bunker in Antarctica, so they have no need to, "skip the country."
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On 2012-03-04 00:00, spartacus wrote:
Too late, I have inside information the principles are operating out of an underground bunker in Antarctica, so they have no need to, "skip the country."

Whoa! That's planning.
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I was enthused enough by the prospect of receiving a "trick" every month for a nominal fee of $12 per month that I sent off a payment for an annual subscription, per their advertisement of a "one-time fee." It seemed a simple matter to cancel the recurring payment with Paypal to begin in 2013 since that was the one aspect of the deal that I cannot accept. Their advertisements and web page said nothing to imply that this was not allowed. My action was quickly followed by a demand that I reinstate the recurring payment or be excluded from the "club."

I'm sorry guys, but I cannot do business with people who deceptively advertise their service. A one-time fee is a one-time fee and does not include a required future payment for extended service. I have no problem with anyone else who doesn't care about any of this. We have different expectations, and that is just fine with me.

I have since spent the money in my Paypal acount on Al Schneider's latest book, fifty feet of rope, a couple of PK rings, and still have money left over for something else. I guess we are all happy. At least for now.

I shall be on the outside looking in.
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[quote]On 2012-03-03 23:49, toberman wrote:
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On 2012-03-03 13:47, GaryLee wrote:
It basiclly comes down to personal choice. But, if all those who oppose the marketing and secrecy behind realsecrets stop posting here, the thread would be rather boring. There might of been maybe 1 page of posts and that's it if it wasn't for the controversy. Realsecrets would not even be talked about as much as it is right now. Most of the reason why realsecrets is getting so much attention is because of those "naysayers" who keep the topic fresh and alive.
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Actually the naysayers are not keeping anything fresh and alive, they are hoping to create controversy and are desperate for attention. I have to assume they are either immature or very lonely.




Actually that kind of comment is unnecessary. And its typical of the type of machismo that exists with some groups on here. Some folk like this idea and some folk don't-- let's ditch the name calling.
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On 2012-03-03 22:43, Judah Vee wrote:
Here's what I have to say. The Real Secrets team, whoever they are, have alleviated any minor concern I might have had. I am not going to say how, but they have given me all I need to believe this is going to go on for at least a year. No, I still don't know who they are so don't ask. No, I am not going to say what they have done so don't ask. Yes, I am a veritable nobody in the performing world so I don't expect anyone to take my word. But for those that do know me, I now have complete faith in this endeavor.

And that's all I have to say 'bout that.

-J-


Awesome!! More SECRETS we don't know about from secret annonymous insiders and veritable nobodies with no info!! COOL!!! Smile
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[quote]On 2012-03-04 05:20, Ray Chelt wrote:
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On 2012-03-03 23:49, toberman wrote:
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On 2012-03-03 13:47, GaryLee wrote:
It basiclly comes down to personal choice. But, if all those who oppose the marketing and secrecy behind realsecrets stop posting here, the thread would be rather boring. There might of been maybe 1 page of posts and that's it if it wasn't for the controversy. Realsecrets would not even be talked about as much as it is right now. Most of the reason why realsecrets is getting so much attention is because of those "naysayers" who keep the topic fresh and alive.
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Actually the naysayers are not keeping anything fresh and alive, they are hoping to create controversy and are desperate for attention. I have to assume they are either immature or very lonely.




Actually that kind of comment is unnecessary. And its typical of the type of machismo that exists with some groups on here. Some folk like this idea and some folk don't-- let's ditch the name calling.


Yeah that was pretty "immature" wasn't it? He must be pretty "lonely" to make a statement like that, and seems to be "desperate for attention" and acceptance of his Real Secret agents. But it is always funny when the pot calls the kettle black. Pack mentality and hypocrisy is what keeps the Café running 24 hours.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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I asked this in the PM Broadcast message, but then decided to ask it here as well.

Do you think in the future it is possible that the Real Secrets Team will introduce a feature that includes allowing a magician to present the routines in a public show with an additional performance fee payment?
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On 2012-03-04 08:34, Howie Diddot wrote:
I asked this in the PM Broadcast message, but then decided to ask it here as well.

Do you think in the future it is possible that the Real Secrets Team will introduce a feature that includes allowing a magician to present the routines in a public show with an additional performance fee payment?


Slightly confused by this. You buy a trick to perform it so you shouldn't need any extra permission for a public performance?
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[quote]On 2012-03-03 19:50, Xiqual wrote:
I don't want to be saved! I like being thickheaded. My impulse buying or fantasy purchases are not your problem.

I just can't help reading your posts and hearing Dustin Hoffman's voice.
"What Real Secrets wants most to keep "secret" is that "$12 month" is actually $288 for 2 years." $288, $288, Real Secrets, 2 Years.

or this;
"Equally as tiring as the blind support for a blind product from the Real Secrets blind magicians bandwagon" blind support, blind product, blind magicians bandwagon blind blind blind blind magicians bandwagon.

Just try and not hear Dustin Hoffman as Rainman saying all that.
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On 2012-03-04 08:34, Howie Diddot wrote:
I asked this in the PM Broadcast message, but then decided to ask it here as well.

Do you think in the future it is possible that the Real Secrets Team will introduce a feature that includes allowing a magician to present the routines in a public show with an additional performance fee payment?


Why would you not be able to present them in public? Even though most who buy this want it to fool magicians, you can present the effects anywhere you want to. Otherwise what is the purpose of the effects? To just show magicians? You don't have to raise your fees to show the effects. Smile Are you wanting to send Real Secrets "tip money" for them "allowing" you to show such secretive material, which is the entire purpose in the first place? You can see just what confusion and idiocy this product causes. It is prettty sad how magic thieves are releasing a lot of DVDS now and say that you do not have performace rights to the material, and you have to buy more stuff later.

But they conveniently leave this information off of the DVD until they get your money. See the Wizard Product Review for more examples. They want you to just watch the secret and then use the DVD as a coaster. This is a line crap and the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. If I buy a DVD to learn material nobody is going to stop me from performing. So yeah, "back up that truck" Sean Scott. Smile
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Performing the routines anywhere you wish, public or otherwise is not a problem. What they are asking is that we don't mass distribute it via something like YouTube, etc. You can perform the routines for your magic friends, but you know how that generally leads, or many times leads to then telling them the 'How' of the method? Don't do that. It's just old school "don't tell how you do it stuff".

Look at it from the Real Secrets folks point of view. Have YOU gone and seen what is EXPOSED on YouTube? Magicians **** and moan to this day about the "Masked Magician" and YouTube is on a whole new level of 'bad'. The why is obvious....the material is available on an ongoing and daily basis.

I admit I could have phrased much of their opening note above in much clearer language, but it's not that obtuse. DO the magic all you want. Just don't share the METHODS with non members. Don't go broadcasting the effects around. Why that one??? Sheesh, has no one heard the rule of magic that states you don't tell them what's going to happen before it does, because it's the same as repeating the same trick for the same folks during the same time period?

The simplest read between the lines: Yep, we know the methods to this stuff is going to get out, but we are going to attempt to have that happen as SLOWLY as possible.....for YOUR benefit not ours! Think about it. They'll have their money....in one basic sense what do that care if the methods get out? No one can get BACK ISSUES!!!! Once the release cycle of an item is past that's it. The ONLY folks it protects are their clients. Period.

Again, think about what they are saying: Let's say that you start your subscription in May? Unless they change what they mean by saying no Back Issues or change the policy for some reason....the new subscriber will NOT be able to get the April release. So in one very basic sense the publisher has nothing to protect. Cat's out of the bag for them. Go forth happy clients and perform the material for whoever you wish, where ever you wish. Just keep it Old School....don't tell folks how it's done.

Now a screed: I don't blame them. Magic has never seen such an influx of folks doing magic without the slightest hint,idea or the history of the craft. They have no idea of the ethics of the craft and seemingly could care less. They toss badly done presentations about willy nilly, they offer up some of the most sublime methods of magic ever conceived with no thought whatsoever to what they are doing. "Don't ask, don't tell" was a magic ethic for a long time before the military borrowed it from us! Now, younger magicians have no seeming internal prohibition to asking one how something is done as if you freaking owe it to them like it's some form of entitlement. That's WHY the Real Secrets folks have asked that at least at the most minimum level we don't just fritter away what they send us. Cool. Good for them.
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Whatever, I am done with this thread ….


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Careful gaffed you are going to get a headache. I am done whenever others are "done" with their veiled attacks which you conveniently ignore. Maybe you slammed your head too much or can't see that through those rose colored, biased glasses. Get over it.
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Careful gaffed you are going to get a headache. I am done whenever others are "done" with their veiled attacks which you conveniently ignore. Maybe you slammed your head too much or can't see that through those rose colored, biased glasses. Get over it.


Christ Almighty! We all get it already...OK? You don’t like the idea of “Real Secrets” and want nothing to do with it. You’ve made that quite clear in 57 posts! Obviously there is nothing wrong whatsoever in stating your opinion on a forum site, but now, for all practical purposes, it has become akin to nothing more than mere trolling.

How about taking a break, relax, count your hundred dollar bills, start reading all of those thousands of magic books you have and stop clogging up this thread with your never ending mindless rants. We’ve all heard it already....57 TIMES!
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On 2012-02-19 00:35, Real Secrets Team wrote:
As a member, you must agree not to describe, share, or post videos of any of the effects or methods shared in the Real Secrets community. The goal is to protect these secrets for you and all of the other members. Certainly you can discuss whether you like or hate Real Secrets with others around you but you simply have to agree to the rules of the game to be and continue to be a member. If you don't feel comfortable committing to that Real Secrets is not for you. If you don't feel comfortable with secrets then Real Secrets is not for you.



This is exciting. Keeping the secrets among the select few. Like the 'magic underground' of years ago. You had to be part of the inner circle to be in the know.
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what do you mean?
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Years ago?
what do you mean?
:) Smile Smile


SHHHHHHHHHHHH. It's a thing of the past....doesn't exist anymore. This isn't the underground they're looking for....Nothing to see here...move along....
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Think PEA: underground, need to be a member, their own publications...they are pretty successful and pretty secret at the same time.

With any luck at all...RS could attain to be the same.
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