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WilliamWHolcomb Special user Twinsburg, Ohio 533 Posts |
A two-hour video on 2 Card Monte? Can it be? Where is ellusionist heading with this video?
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nappa Regular user new york 108 Posts |
Its all about presentation and showmanship. It also has many performers teaching the bayme cut, a card to pocket card to wallet but its mostly presentation. Im in it also so I may be biased but its very good.
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Tor Egil Elite user Norway 495 Posts |
Some people complain about the price. If you want to complaine about prices then look at John Kennedy's card through window. It costs 200 bucks for one trick. Sean's costs 350 bucks. The elevator costs 100 bucks.
When I buy a product I don't look at the price I look at the contet. Brad's products are quality products. He is the best teacher I have come across.
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ixnay66 Inner circle Denver 1525 Posts |
A 2 hour video on the renamed creation of Eddie Fechter. Why not put out some new material?
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Bone Loyal user Totally lost... 264 Posts |
I can see some does Sybil in there.
Just watched the demo, quite good. Bone.
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nappa Regular user new york 108 Posts |
Ixnay if you would read my posts and even look at any info regarding the video you would know there is a lot more too it then that as david said an informed opinion is alot better than a totally biased one.
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Evan Williams Elite user 439 Posts |
I have become a little Anti-Ellusionist due to a few hundred dollars and poor service.
Because I am anxious to see now if he has corrected many, or any, of the problems I had with his previous videos, I will buy Kard Klub and give his products another try. Regards. |
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nappa Regular user new york 108 Posts |
Ellusionist has come leaps and bounds since the Ninja videos.
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A 2 hour video on the renamed creation of Eddie Fechter. Why not put out some new material? Most magic effects have been done many times; very few things are original. Anyway if that's your opinion, fine. |
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SDR Elite user 430 Posts |
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Most magic effects have been done before and very few are original You are indeed 100% correct, so heres an idea: You have no business putting out a video or DVD if it isn't original! Just because you know the effects doesn't give you the right. I think having your own handling of the same plot or finesses on handlings would justify a video. |
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nappa Regular user new york 108 Posts |
I agree with you in some ways but personally I learn better from videos than books so ellusionist helps me with that. Also they credit very well now which kills my other problem with unoriginal material.
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SDR Elite user 430 Posts |
As for crediting, well, lets look at some wise words from Andy Leviss:
"Crediting without permission is naming the person you stole from" its actually pretty cheeky. I've said I don't agree with Ammar, I didn't say I don't like him. He has served his time and has alot of original material, and has made alot of the ETMCM effects his. |
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nappa Regular user new york 108 Posts |
Well I guess we can agree to disagree people know both sides they can judge for themselves.
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Neoglobin Elite user 460 Posts |
For the record, I also dislike ellusionist.
Magically Yours,
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wes008 New user 21 Posts |
I visit ellusionist frequently and have no problem with them what so ever. Yes you are all correct about the original material thing, ellusionist is not the place for original material, that's NOT what the site is for and they don't claim to be.
Ellusionist on the other hand is focused on teaching effects that will get big reactions, and they do it well. Brad is the BEST teacher that I have come across and also one of the most focused on the other area's of magic like showmanship and presentation. That more than anything is what Kard Klub is about. Ellusionist may not be break through or revolutionary but they do what they do well and that is turn a lay person into a performer.
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art, and true science. Whoever can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed"
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phantomace Special user 651 Posts |
Kard Klub looks good. Yes they may be using old tricks, but I think it is more of a physcology lesson than teaching 2 card monte all day long. There is actually alot more listed there than 2 card monte.
Ellusionist is also starting to carry other people's products which is pretty cool. |
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joeKing Special user United States 979 Posts |
I'm sorry 40 bucks for the 2 Card Monte is absolutely stupid....
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niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts |
First off, I can't understand how someone can compare Ellusionist products to for instance the Elevator, which is well priced, or Sean Bogunia's CTW. What do you expect, a remote controlled device for $15??
Yes, we judge Ellusionist on our past bitter experiences. What do you want us to do? Keep buying their products in the hope the next one is good? Have they changed the clip for the King Rising?... Noooo!! Have they changed their Invisible Decks?... I don't think so. We are just afraid to make the step for our next purchase from them. And to say it all, a whole 2-hour DVD on three effects doesn't promise to be anything that good. I don't agree with you shaun about M. Ammar. In that case, Tarbell also has whole volumes of books in which not all the effects are his. These are just compilations of effects the author performs or which he groups together for the magicians' benefit. Michael Ammar's Easy to Master Thread Miracles, for instance, is a great source for IT work, instead of going through several other sources to get different methods. Countless threads has been put up about this topic regarding Ellusionist. Let's end right here. Everyone is warned!
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Euan Inner circle 1041 Posts |
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On 2003-09-26 22:23, wes008 wrote: I'm sick of hearing this.. NO it's NOT what they do... what they do is take already existing material and SELL IT! It makes my blood boil. --Euan |
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nappa Regular user new york 108 Posts |
And they teach it alot better and also add many other things such as misdirection and better presentations in the mix.
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niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts |
"They do it well" Have you ever bought and ID from them? Did you view the King Rising clip?
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Ivan |
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