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For the record- When I was in grade school I pushed a girl once because I didn't like girls. She didn't fall down or anything, but she ran away and I felt bad later.

I tried cocaine and marijuana (and LSD and lots of other stuff) too.

But I never led a gang of high school seniors that violently gang tackled someone, pinned him down, and chopped his hair off because we didn't like the way he looked.
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In some ways, Romney not remembering the "prank" may be almost more disturbing than him lying about remembering it.

"You see, for you, it was a horrible, humiliating, traumatic event that brought you years of anguish. But for me, it was Tuesday."
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Hi balducci, the original Wa Po story has been scrubbed and changed on the website. That's not the way they originally reported it.
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Hi balducci, the original Wa Po story has been scrubbed and changed on the website. That's not the way they originally reported it.

If that is true, can you provide a link to an archived page of the original WP article so we can see exactly what it said and not rely on memory? Maybe ABC is the one that made an error in ITS reporting?

In any case, if ABC is correct, it appears that WP quickly righted its minor misquote and (possibly) identified additional witnesses. Good for it.

As far as I can tell, from the ABC and Breitbart reporting on this issue, the Wa Po still never claimed that White was there as an eyewitness. So your suggestion that he was described as an "alleged witness" seems off base.
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Romney = Ernest Morrow from Catcher in the Rye. Worth looking up the encounter Holden has with Morrow's mother, and Holden's description of Ernest.
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Romney = Ernest Morrow from Catcher in the Rye. Worth looking up the encounter Holden has with Morrow's mother, and Holden's description of Ernest.


To me, the Romney incident is reminiscent of "The Lord of the Flies" as well.
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Thanks, balducci. You can find a screen shot of the original WaPo article here.
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Hi landmark,

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Romney = Ernest Morrow from Catcher in the Rye. Worth looking up the encounter Holden has with Morrow's mother, and Holden's description of Ernest.


You might find his adult character even worse. Details here.
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Romney = Ernest Morrow from Catcher in the Rye. Worth looking up the encounter Holden has with Morrow's mother, and Holden's description of Ernest.


You might find his adult character even worse. Details here.

Woland, given his resources, many of us would do the same, especially for a trusted colleague. Good thing he had all those resources available, and I'm glad they found the girl.

Do you think he would have done the same for one of the low-level employees at a company he took over? Our real character is what we show when we think nobody else is watching.
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Who was watching then?

Your aspersions on the character of a man who moved every resource within his power to come to the aid of a friend, nonjudgmentally regarding the cause of the problem, and by diverting some of his most important co-workers from the daily work which earned them, and him, and tens of thousands of other people their daily bread, risking at least to some extent his livelihood itself, speak for themselves. And of course he did more than that in point of fact for those "low-level employees" - he created and sustained enterprises which enabled them to earn a good and honest living without relying on charity or the monies the government has the power to confiscate from other people.
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Does anyone else remember a while back when it seemed as though every conservative or conservative publication worth his / her / its salt was bashing Romney as a RINO and closet liberal? E.g.:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/29/shooting-a-rino

http://conservativetickler.wordpress.com......ey-rino/

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2012/05/07/r......treason/

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Well, then, balducci, that must make him more appealing to another moderate such as yourself. Too bad that as a Canadian you can't vote . . . unless maybe you are voting for your Alderman's favorite candidate in the Windy City . . . .
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"unless maybe you are voting for your Alderman's favorite candidate in the Windy City"?

Sorry, I don't get this reference ... which alderman, which candidate?
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Doesn't matter, balducci. Traditionally, any of each category could be made to work, for a Canadian voter, or even a dead voter.
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Who was watching then?

And of course he did more than that in point of fact for those "low-level employees" - he created and sustained enterprises which enabled them to earn a good and honest living without relying on charity or the monies the government has the power to confiscate from other people.


When he was a CEO at Bain, his job had nothing to do with "creating" or destroying jobs. It was all about maximizing return on investment.
See: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-01......-profits

As a side effect, as many jobs as were created were destroyed or shipped overseas. But it should also be noted that during his term as Governor of Massachusetts, that state's job growth was rated 47th in the nation.
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Hi Bob,

Don't confuse the incentive with the goal. One could say much the same about any line of work, including yours or mine.

Bain created more than 100,000 new jobs, and undoubtedly saved many more.
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How many American jobs, on the other hand, were destroyed by Bain via forced bankruptcies, layoffs and shipping jobs overseas? Again, Bain was very successful at what doing what it was supposed to do- maximizing investor profits. That's a good thing for the investors and they did it well.

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"100,000 new jobs." Romney has repeatedly claimed that during his tenure at Bain Capital, "net-net, we created over 100,000 jobs." His campaign defends the figure by tallying the current employment totals of some companies Bain aided. That's a stretch in and of itself, but it's also not a net figure. It lacks the balancing context of how many jobs were destroyed by Bain. As the Los Angeles Times reported in December, while Bain helped some companies grow, "Romney and his team also maximized returns by firing workers, seeking government subsidies, and flipping companies quickly for large profits. Sometimes Bain investors gained even when companies slid into bankruptcy."

Indeed, the Wall Street Journal looked closely at Bain's record under Romney and found that 22 percent "either filed for bankruptcy or closed their doors by the end of the eighth year after Bain first invested, sometimes with substantial job losses." Which is not really terribly surprising: Bain's raison d'etre is not job creation but wealth creation for its investors. As Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler noted in an article Monday calling Romney's "100,000 jobs" figure "untenable," Romney and Bain "never could have raised money from investors if the prospectus seeking $1-million investments from the super wealthy had said it would focus on creating jobs."

As a corollary, when Romney's record has been criticized, he has dismissed criticisms as an attempt to "put free enterprise on trial." It's not an attack on free enterprise. It's an attack on Romney's strained attempt to spin his successful record of wealth-creation into one of job-creation. It's also a recognition that while a net good, the free market has its destructive side—and it's a fair question to ask, whether voters consider experience in that sort of vulture capitalism as a good qualification for the presidency. Do they want government to be run more like that kind of business?


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2......eys-lies

But, also again, why was Massachusetts 47th in the nation during Romney's tenure as governor- a job in which he is SUPPOSED TO create job growth?
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Dunno. Maybe it had something to do with the legislature?

Back to the bullying story for a moment, however. Which do you fear more, a bully in high school or a bully in the White House? From the Journal:

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Here's what happens when the president of the United States publicly targets a private citizen for the crime of supporting his opponent.

Frank VanderSloot is the CEO of Melaleuca Inc. The 63-year-old has run that wellness-products company for 26 years out of tiny Idaho Falls, Idaho. Last August, Mr. VanderSloot gave $1 million to Restore Our Future, the Super PAC that supports Mitt Romney.

Three weeks ago, an Obama campaign website, "Keeping GOP Honest," took the extraordinary step of publicly naming and assailing eight private citizens backing Mr. Romney. Titled "Behind the curtain: a brief history of Romney's donors," the post accused the eight of being "wealthy individuals with less-than-reputable records." Mr. VanderSloot was one of the eight, smeared particularly as being "litigious, combative and a bitter foe of the gay rights movement."

About a week after that post, a man named Michael Wolf contacted the Bonneville County Courthouse in Idaho Falls in search of court records regarding Mr. VanderSloot. Specifically, Mr. Wolf wanted all the documents dealing with Mr. VanderSloot's divorces, as well as a case involving a dispute with a former Melaleuca employee.

Mr. Wolf sent a fax to the clerk's office—which I have obtained—listing four cases he was after. He would later send a second fax, asking for three further court cases dealing with either Melaleuca or Mr. VanderSloot. Mr. Wolf listed only his name and a private cellphone number.

Some digging revealed that Mr. Wolf was, until a few months ago, a law clerk on the Democratic side of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. He's found new work. The ID written out at the top of his faxes identified them as coming from "Glenn Simpson." That's the name of a former Wall Street Journal reporter who in 2009 founded a D.C. company that performs private investigative work.


This is far worse than Richard Nixon's enemies list. I know a man who was on Nixon's list, and remains very proud of that fact, so I asked him if he had ever been jailed, arrested, had his passport impounded, gone through an extra tax audit, or suffered any negative consequence at all as a result. Nada. Zilch. Nihil. Being on Richard Nixon's enemies list was a reason for his friends to applaud him, strangers to admire him, and it may have even gotten him a few free drinks. Our current President, however, goes by what he himself called "the Chicago rules."
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Nice deflection Woland!

If Nixon had restricted his activities to doing opposition research through public records, rather than authorizing and covering up criminal activity, you might have a valid comparison. But he didn't. So you don't.

Shall we go into the "opposition research" conducted by Rove, Breitbart, O'Keefe and the Romney campaign? Ask Newt Gingrich what he thinks of Romney's campaign tactics.

"Keeping the GOP Honest" appears to be driving the right crazy. Imagine that- Democrats fighting back by fact checking the opposition's statements and revealing the identities and backgrounds of their donors. Wow! I could never imagine the Republicans doing such a thing. (Wait. They do it daily? Never mind.)
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Opposition research about an opposing candidate is bad enough. But for the President to go after private citizens who happen to have decided to donate to his opponent, that is a depth of depravity that we have not heretofore witnessed.

And it's not a deflection. It's a continuation of our discussion of an alleged incident of bullying.
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