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Hi Woland-

Who was it that goes after George Soros all the time? Is he not a private citizen who has donated to the opposition and has been falsely, and with great depravity Smile, been falsely accused of being a Nazi?

We've never witnessed what you speak of before? Come now, Woland. Some of us are old enough to recall Mr. Nixon sending the IRS and the FBI after his political opponents. Does that not count? Or is it just one of many inconvenient examples that you would prefer not to remember?

The fact is that has been done hundreds of times before. Karl Rove is the acknowledged past master of the art. (George didn't call him "turd blossom" for nothing.) And Mr. Rove is now a driving force behind the Romney campaign:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/1......20120419

Shall we make a list of Rove's many tactics against his opposition over the years?

But you and I well know that we could go back and forth on this all day, devout partisans that we are. We both know the rules of the game and how it is played.

But when it's all over, I hope you will nonetheless join me for a beer.

Good thoughts,

Bob
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Bob, I am dissappointed you are limiting marriage to those who 'love' each other. What about those that want that valuable tax deduction? What if people want to accept a few grand under the table to marry long enough to stay in the country? How about if someone needs health insurance and is older so they marry for the insurance in exchange of property and death benefits? How dare you try to restrict individual freedom!
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On 2012-05-11 19:00, MagicSanta wrote:
Bob, I am dissappointed you are limiting marriage to those who 'love' each other. What about those that want that valuable tax deduction? What if people want to accept a few grand under the table to marry long enough to stay in the country? How about if someone needs health insurance and is older so they marry for the insurance in exchange of property and death benefits? How dare you try to restrict individual freedom!


My bad! But, yep, they should be included too. Far be it for me to criticize the time honored tradition of marrying for money!

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Hi Bob,

When did President Nixon ever send the IRS after his political opponents?
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Nevermind, I'll let others answer. Smile
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Man, Romney is gonna get spanked hard in November. He must be the sacrificial lamb.
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On 2012-05-11 20:32, Woland wrote:
Hi Bob,

When did President Nixon ever send the IRS after his political opponents?


Probably be easier to answer "When didn't he?"

Here's just one example:

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President Nixon is intent on knocking Alabama governor George Wallace, a segregationist Democrat, out of the 1972 elections. To that end, he has his personal lawyer, Herbert Kalmbach, ferry $100,000 in secret campaign funds (see December 1, 1969) to Alabama gubernatorial candidate Albert Brewer. Kalmbach delivers the money in the lobby of a New York City hotel, using the pseudonym “Mr. Jensen of Detroit.” Through his chief of staff H. R. Haldeman, Nixon also orders an IRS investigation of Wallace. White House aide Murray Chotiner delivers the information gleaned from the IRS probe to investigative columnist Jack Anderson, who subsequently prints the information in his syndicated columns. When Brewer forces a runoff with Wallace in the May 5 primary elections, Kalmbach has another $330,000 delivered to Brewer’s campaign. Brewer’s aide Jim Bob Solomon takes the money, in $100 bills, to Brewer via a flight from Los Angeles to Alabama; Solomon is so worried about the money being discovered in the event of a plane crash that he pins a note to his underwear saying that the money is not his, and he is delivering it on behalf of the president. Wallace, calling Brewer “the candidate of 300,000 n_ggers,” wins the runoff despite the massive cash infusions from the White House. [Reeves, 2001, pp. 228-229]


http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.j......_tricks_

For more fun and games from Tricky Dick, do a Google search on the terms "Nixon IRS dirty tricks"

Of course, Nixon had an entire cadre of dirty tricks operatives (remember the infamous C.R.E.E.P. - the Committee to Re-Elect the President?) that were, basically, the inspiration for Karl Roves antics decades later. And, as I noted earlier, Rove is now a force in the Romney campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_tricks

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove to learn more about Rove's extensive experience in political dirty tricks.
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Hey, I liked Dick back in the seventies.
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Hey, I liked Dick back in the seventies.


When did you stop? Did you have to see Marcus Bachmann?

NOTICE: The above comment is not intended to be factually accurate. But when you set me up with a line like that, what do you expect?
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I fed you the line and expected you to take it!
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What were the big musicals back then?
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I fed you the line and expected you to take it!


Well done. If I'm every playing in your area I'll comp you in and you can keep feeding them to me!
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What were the big musicals back then?


LOL!!

(Those who missed the joke need to read the "Beautiful City" thread.)

But seriously, inn 1972 on Broadway you could have seen "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum," "Grease," "Man of LaMancha," and "Pippen" among many lesser known shows.
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When I think of the 70's (not that I was around for most of it) and musical theatre, I think of "Hair." Because of the nudity.
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I loved Fiddler on the Roof and Grease. Jesus Christ

Super Star was big.

Come to Reno Bob!
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When I think of the 70's (not that I was around for most of it) and musical theatre, I think of "Hair." Because of the nudity.


It was more of a naked tableau, nothing particularly outrageous by today's standards. My favorite Broadway show from that era was "Cats." (And, of course, Doug Henning in "The Magic Show", which co-starred then little known actor David Ogden Stiers as Henning's nemesis.)
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Would have liked to see the Henning show.
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Hi Bob,

I had forgotten about the Nixon-IRS-George Wallace episode. I'll have to catch up on it. But there is a difference. Nixon was attacking a politician, not a private citizen.
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After Citizens United, private citizens can have a lot of political influence. Same for corporations. I haven't researched it, but it could be they are tracking down anonymous donations that were previously illegal, but now made possible through SuperPACs and other financial shenanigans.
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.

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On 2012-05-12 08:34, Woland wrote:
Hi Bob,

I had forgotten about the Nixon-IRS-George Wallace episode. I'll have to catch up on it. But there is a difference. Nixon was attacking a politician, not a private citizen.


A private citizen like Daniel Ellsberg perhaps? Or any of the hundreds of other private citizens who made Nixon's enemies list? The IRS and the FBI were tools that Nixon used regularly for intimidation purposes. It's a matter of historical record and really not debatable.
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