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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Well I know a few tricks with them but I can't remember now what advantage at the card table there is in them.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
My favorite plastic cards!!!
Advantages? For the player, you don't have to bend the corners like a bear to read the card values. For the pro, many peeks possible from both hands. |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Look at the backs, you know....one way, or another.
You no sabbee?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
I forgot we had to tip all sorts of secrets .
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
Those are good for lefty's??
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Let me put it in a more subtle way; How can one get an advantage using a one way deck, such as the one above is, in a game of poker, where one has to do a washee washee, shuffle, shuffle, box, shuffle cut? Is there any advantage for a player in a formal poker game in a casino if he notices that the deck is a one way deck?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-03-07 21:01, tommy wrote: I assume that your challenge is to ONLY take advantage of the one way characteristics of the cards and not mark them ? The only thing I can think of is to position high and low cards in different directions and HOPE that the cards tend to stay in your "set" direction. While some cards may turn the wrong way, you can increase your odds by hoping that the direction is correct. BOTTOM LINE is that I am guessing that you can "increase your odds" of differentiating high and low cards ?
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-03-07 17:38, AMcD wrote: Plastic cards have another advantage for the pro......the lay public believes that you can't mark plastic cards....HA ! So, the pro can keep a marked deck in play for a long time because people are too cheap to replace them I personally prefer paper cards because of feel and opening a new deck is a convincer, that the deck is clean
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
[quote]On 2012-03-08 11:56, Expertmagician wrote:
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So now you tell me? |
Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Cagliostro,
PM me....But, in general special Juice and Luminous formulas have been made in recent years for daubs and solutions/inks which work well on all plastic cards. However, some old techniques also work well and different marking techniques may need to be used based upon the name brand and back design of the cards. BOTTOM LINE: No card is safe from deceptive marking....But, I think this particular thread is about "one-way" cards....not marking
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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 607 Posts |
I've been thinking about this, and this is all just speculation based on what I think might be possible. that caveat aside, with no wash or no wash every hand I think there's a real potential to take advantage. Undercuts, boxes, table riffles, dovetail riffles, hindu shuffles (still very common in games with asian players) and classic overhand shuffles need not reverse the direction. particularly if you're working with a partner and the deal is moving around the table, I'd think it would be possible to fix the dead wood to a certain extent to indicate certain cards and read high values. With any luck that set up might even stick for the most part as a form of imperfect information for several hands. even if a few cards get turned around here and there as they're dealt and sailed around the table, there's a real advantage to knowing that say 4 or five hands ago all the court cards would be oriented a certain way. If people don't sail cards or again if working with a partner to keep control of the orientation to a degree, that can be useful information that can change the ev of a given hand against known opponents and then with out much difficulty the deck can possibly be reset from time to time.
Mr. Quackenbush believes that there is no such thing as a good magic trick.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Many years ago an old time casino hustler told me that the Bee allover back cards at one time (40s and 50s) had a larger diamond on one end as opposed to the other end, right out of the box. Evidently teams would play this type work at that time in Vegas and Nevada in general.
It was used only on the BJ games which were all single decks back then. A team would go in and sit at a table with a dealer that gave them enough “air” to read the top card. They would usually take up all the seats at the table. At quiet times, when few people were in the casino, just two or three seats would be sufficient to take up the table. As they played the hands, they would surreptitiously turn the big cards one way and the small cards the other. Now they could tell most of the time if the dealer’s hole card was big or small and also if the top card was big or small – a very good edge in BJ. The advantage of this play is that there was no “work” on the cards, they were legitimate, and they could easily ”destroy” the set-up (no discernible order to the large or small cards), when it came time to leave. Later when the newer Bee decks came out that did not have this anomaly, the hustlers that used this type play would take a number of Bee decks and sort them out so the they could produce one deck with this one way pattern. Usually working with either the dealer, the floor or both they would introduce one of these decks into play, either using it as a cold deck to initially get some good money out, then playing off the one way pattern after that, or having the floor put the deck in as a new deck out of the box. Either way there was no proof that the cards were marked because they weren’t. There was no regular pattern as in using regular sort edge cards. The reason that oftentimes a BJ dealer will spin half the deck around and reverse it end for end during the shuffle is to prevent this type play. |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Thanks.
These are being used today in croupier poker games in some places, where normal procedure is washing every hand. I wonder what effect an average wash has with regard to direction. I guess Persi Diaconis might be the man to ask.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Quote: On 2012-03-07 18:47, AMcD wrote: |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-03-10 17:13, AMcD wrote: Not so loudly, please. Do you want to get this thread deleted? |
AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Don't worry. Probably 5 people got my pun after the first reading.
About papers, Cag, I'm gonna release soon a cool tool on my website. Stay tuned, you might like it. |
jackouille07 Regular user France 110 Posts |
What Cagliostro said sound like what Steve Forte explain to Mike Konik, look at this thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=188 |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I wonder why
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-03-10 22:46, jackouille07 wrote: Yes, by the time Forte came on the scene, the concept was pretty well know as hustlers had been using it since the 1940s. That is why many casinos made the procedural change of reversing one half the deck on the shuffle to prevent this type play. Also, among hustlers that I knew it was called "turn-about" as the terminolgy "The Turn" meant something else. |
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