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^^^ well, you sound like a descent cop to me. to be honest, I don't have as much of a problem with a lot of the old time cops who have been doing the job for decades. it seems like the people who decided to become cops back in the 70s or whenever, went into that line of work for the right reasons. It's very rare that you see a 60 year old veteran cop do anything crazy. normally it's the young guys who take steroids, work out at the gym, drink too much, etc. that end up being thugs with badges and guns on power trips. in most of the cases where cops cross the line, it's the younger cops. a lot of the time, it's these drug task force swat team type people that get the address wrong and storm the wrong house and end up shooting innocent people. Obviously I've got no problems with a cop who is a great grandfather and a family man who I would imagine as being a detective doing paper work and solving real crimes.

so ya... if I see a 60 year old cop out on the street, I'm not too worried about anything. if I see some 22 year old cop, walking around with his chest bulged out... just stay out of his way and don't do anything that might **** him off because you never know sometimes with these people.
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On 2012-03-28 14:12, AdamChance wrote:
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On 2012-03-28 09:48, Octopus Sun wrote:
People are not retarded!
They are mentally challenged.
The only retarded person here is Adam with his ignorant comments.


mentally challenged and retarded mean the same thing.

if you say something like "that magic trick is retarded" ... that not politically correct. but there's nothing wrong with calling a mentally handicapped person mentally retarded.


First, let me state that while I do not agree with your sentiments regarding the police, I do respect the civilized manner in which you have responded to the replies about your comments on this thread.

Your last statement quoted is completely backwards, however. Calling a mentally handicapped person 'retarded' is akin to calling an African American the 'n' word. Stating the same about a card trick, while gauche and rude, is not nearly as offensive as applying the term to a person.

That said, I do believe I see the thrust of your argument- but you are sticking to the strictest definition of the word to downplay the offensive connentation of it. This is comparable to a lawyer sticking to the letter of the law to circumvent the meaning of the law.

In regards to the gasoline issue, Coleman fuel is the brand name for white gas; also- interesting fact- in an emergency, your car will run off of white gas.
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On 2012-03-28 19:40, AdamChance wrote:
^^^ well, you sound like a descent cop to me. to be honest, I don't have as much of a problem with a lot of the old time cops who have been doing the job for decades. it seems like the people who decided to become cops back in the 70s or whenever, went into that line of work for the right reasons. It's very rare that you see a 60 year old veteran cop do anything crazy. normally it's the young guys who take steroids, work out at the gym, drink too much, etc. that end up being thugs with badges and guns on power trips. in most of the cases where cops cross the line, it's the younger cops. a lot of the time, it's these drug task force swat team type people that get the address wrong and storm the wrong house and end up shooting innocent people. Obviously I've got no problems with a cop who is a great grandfather and a family man who I would imagine as being a detective doing paper work and solving real crimes.

so ya... if I see a 60 year old cop out on the street, I'm not too worried about anything. if I see some 22 year old cop, walking around with his chest bulged out... just stay out of his way and don't do anything that might **** him off because you never know sometimes with these people.


Also police training is much different than it was 30 years ago and beyond, now they are trained in a militarized fashion and take orders without question. The younger officers, yes I've seen many on a power trip with puffed up chests...

I admire Glen, he sounds like a stand up officer and would be one I WOULD trust!
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Thank you. I am 58 years old and on the street doing patrol. Yes, our training years ago was a little different, but not much. More officer safety issues have been of late due to a lot of things happening. Many have called me the "Andy Griffith" of our Mayberry. Of course I cannot keep up with all these other younger bucks, but I hold my own.

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Glenn, you are not the norm. Would to God that every cop I've ever encountered while busking could have had your maturity and calm, and your respect for the arts.

But the truth is that of all the countries I have busked, the USA is the only place where I have been verbally and physically threatened, and beaten, and arrested... for the crime of being a street performer. And it hasn't happened just once, but dozens of times all across the country. It makes busking in Russia or Bulgaria seem like a trip to Disneyland.

The one time I encountered a senior officer with your mentality was in Phoenix. He's the only one to ever approach me with an honest curiosity with no undercurrent of hostility of obsessive need for control. It turned out that he was the leader of the Phoenix SWAT team. We ended up having a really great conversation, and he was sincerely interested in learning all about the busking lifestyle. I left him with copies of Stephen Baird's early books (before he had a web site) that discussed buskers' rights, and he promised me to research the material and then teach it to his men. I bet I would have had the same type of conversation with you. The other 80 times, well, not so much.
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Chance, truly sorry to hear about your experiences as well. I guess us old guys are the last of the dinosaurs of the old breed. I pray others, who are younger, will treat people with the due respect due them and not let the badge go to their head. Even when I was younger, I was not a hot dogger, but had the same disposition as I do now.

My Southern heritage, along with the teachings of my parents and my faith has made me what I am today. And, of course Sheriff Andy Taylor of Mayberry said it best; "When you are dealing in law enforcement, you are dealing with people, and sometimes it is better to use your head and heart rather than going by the book". As long as it is not a felony, I can do that, except in family violence issues.

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To infuse some levity in this thread.
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Love it Devious.
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I noticed (in the parts of the video I watched) it was the younger cops who came around and checked to see what was happening. The older cops ran up behind the guy and grabbed him from the back to stop him from "urinating."
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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Yeah, loved the one cop yelling about handcuffs and such. Typical bullying tactics. That guy had it easy. I've had guns brandished during magic shows, and one time about a dozen cops swarmed me while twisting balloons. Gotta keep those streets safe from unwanted latex, doncha know!

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I saw professional police officers, and upOn realizing it was a joke and the kind and compliant behavior of the prankster they replied in kind. I've always lived by rule that you are kind and respectful to people who pay who, cook for you or have weapons. Never failed me...
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Oh yeah, they were all professional, but the old guard first instinct was to grab the guy and the young guys first instinct was to find out what was going on.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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Right, like it's so hard to stand 20 feet away and SAY, "Hey buddy, what'cha doin' over there?"
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Chance, when a gun is pointed at you, it looks like a cannon, even if it is a small one. Sorry again that you have had this happen.

On a side note, when we got public urination calls, when I approached the subject, I did so from the rear and on either the left or right side, a good distance from them. Officer safey for that and also not wanting to be urinated on.

The best call I got was when someone opened a can of cream corn, hid the can on his side away from the window and pretended to vomit at one of the windows at a restaurant. That was a classic. I don't know if anyone has any video of something like this, but I would love to see it and see the reactions of the people.

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Back to the brick and concrete observation: got shut down once on the beach in Ocean City for passing torches. All sand and far from sunbathers. Folks were asking if they had time to go get video cameras to record us. Guess the guard figured we might make glass.
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I haven't heard many stories of street performers starting buildings on fire...I do know more than a few have burned themselves and others...police don't like ya burning the tourist...burns cause lawyers to appear
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On 2012-04-01 08:54, Devious wrote:
To infuse some levity in this thread.
Gee Wizz


I could not stop laughing. Thanks Devious!!

You get a 'non' good natured cop, they'll arrest you. Even though they know the judge will toss it out, they want to punish you for the prank.
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Back to the brick and concrete observation: got shut down once on the beach in Ocean City for passing torches. All sand and far from sunbathers. Folks were asking if they had time to go get video cameras to record us. Guess the guard figured we might make glass.


Everybody thinks they know what they're doing until someone gets burned. Whether you or a spectator, it doesn't matter. The cops job is to keep potential problems at bay.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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On 2012-04-05 06:00, ed rhodes wrote:
...The cops job is to keep potential problems at bay.


Sorry Ed, but I couldn't disagree more. You are suggesting pre-emptive law enforcement. Views like this lead to a "Nanny State". I'm a grown man, and I'd like to be able to live my life and practice my craft without anyone looking over my shoulder second-guessing me -- especially the State. If I break a law, then come and get me. Until then, please State, keep the hell out of my business. The only person that has the right to filter my words or my actions is me, and I won't abdicate that right to anyone, especially a faceless State entity.
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"Reckless endangerment" is against the law in most places. Now it's up to the cop to decide what constitutes reckless endangerment.
I think working with flammable substances in front of a crowd would be pretty high up there on the list.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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