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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I am still waiting for Tommy Wonder's ingenious hold-out lock to be marketed. It is fully described in his magisterial book, but making one seems a bit beyond my current metalworking skill set.
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kentfgunn Inner circle Merritt Island FL 1639 Posts |
Mac,
Keith Stickley makes a lock. He occassionally has them for sale. I have one and can recommend it. Woland, it's a Wonder-style lock. F/K design . . . way better BTW. http://www.keithmagic.com/ I'm no engineer, nor a deep thinker. I focus more on rehearsal than some. For me, that is what makes the difference. ALL of the real work on the Hold-Out has been done by F & K here, in this country. Antonio and Michel have lots and lots of work as well. I prefer the F/K approach but still think Michel is to be lauded for releasing at an everyman cost, his work. I should be moving to Florida by the time you move to California. It took me nearly three years to come up with the C&B routine and another two months to document it. The three ball routine moves are nothing more than a subset of the cups stuff. Chop cup/one cup routine of mine is again a distillation of the moves from Fun Shop. Coin and card stuff I do with the hold-out . . . shhhh . . . gotta see that stuff live. No book from me. Too much magic to do and discover. Thanks for the compliments. Most think I'm a whack-job for my approach. KG |
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1424 Posts |
Your Chop Cup doesn't appear to be on youtube. I don't actually do the cups but your posts on the subject have got me thinking. Sometimes jumping outside the box is the only way to move forward.
Would you say a lock is vital to using a holdout, in either close-up or parlor? If you can elaborate, why is it the FK is better than Wonder's? |
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kentfgunn Inner circle Merritt Island FL 1639 Posts |
Mac,
The lock is not necessary if you can remove a long portion of the business end of the HO quickly and while getting your next prop. If you don't have the F/K, you're probably out of luck here. The F/K lock is simply a much better and more reliable design. Works every time. Plus I have an F/K set and don't own any original Tommy Wonder stuff. I have two models built from the admittedly simplistic pictures in the Books of Wonder. I suspect the one Tommy Wonder made worked great. The two models I have did not work reliably enough. I'll post the Chop Cup routine soon. It's pretty short. KG |
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1424 Posts |
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The lock is not necessary if you can remove a long portion of the business end of the HO quickly and while getting your next prop. If you don't have the F/K, you're probably out of luck here. that's a big if. Quote:
I'll post the Chop Cup routine soon. It's pretty short. As well it should be! It would seem as though if its not an FK holdout its not entirely practical. |
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Donal Chayce Inner circle 1770 Posts |
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On 2012-03-22 19:29, Mac_Stone wrote: Well, yes...and no. Over the years I've used a homemade gravity holdout, Antonio Romero's intriguing holdout, and the Vernet holdout, all with and without the Stickley/Wonder holdout lock. Each did the job, each had plusses and each had minuses. (The Stickley/Wonder lock resolved some--but not all--of the minuses.) I now use the F/K holdout, and while it has solved a myriad of problems, it's not entirely perfect. Heck, what is? But thus far I've neither found nor devised anything better. But who knows what the future may bring? ;-) As an aside, Kent's POV regarding the holdout itself being only half the "bargain" of the F/K system is spot on--the instructional DVDs are an integral part of the system as well. Without them it would be like owning an iPhone but only having an owner's manual for a pager to guide you. I've study the Ed Mishell book and Michel's "Invisible Hand" DVDs--which are excellent, BTW--but the F/K DVDs are a PhD program in holdout-ology. Finally, for purposes of full disclosure, I've not used any of these holdouts in connection with a C&B routine or any related cousins (chop cup, etc.). But I am presently experimenting with my F/K holdout to see if I can come up with a better solution to a magically weak moment in my "Magic Idol" hybrid Benson bowl/bill in lemon routine. |
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