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Dorian, it is a small pocket notebook, any sort will do.
It is the specific presentation that makes this work. It is probably not appropriate to reveal anything further.
I continue to use and enjoy this. Take the leap!
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Can the spactator freely think of any card?
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On 2012-04-12 05:40, doriancaudal wrote:
What confuses me is that statement from the previous review...

"The price, or trade-off, is that there is a deck set-up and
there also is a spiral notebook involved. The notebook
(which is not mentioned in the blurb and is an ordinary one
which is easily obtainable) is used to write down the freely
chosen number (and it is indeed a free choice). There is
some preparation to this notebook but it's a one-time set-up
and is not difficult."

Can somebody elaborate a bit more on this? A spiral notebook?


Dorian, my personal assumption is this fact has to be taken in regards to this key point:
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* No memorisation or calculations
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On 2012-04-15 07:09, Mentalism wrote:
Can the spactator freely think of any card?


No they can't. On further reading of this I think its very unfair to market this as a ACAAN effect. Its more, any number and my volunteer knows the card. Its good for the $$ but if you know any other ACAAN with one deck. Its probably better.
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Can the spactator freely think of any card?


No they can't. On further reading of this I think its very unfair to market this as a ACAAN effect. Its more, any number and my volunteer knows the card. Its good for the $$ but if you know any other ACAAN with one deck. Its probably better.


So it is not an ACAAN in the strict sense. Thanks for this piece of information. I'll stick on Born's version.
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I think I should chime in here, not to defend my work (I wouldn't release it if I didn't like it) but to just to clear a few things up.


This is how Chaos Theory APPEARS to the audience:

- A spectator is freely chosen and handed a boxed deck of cards by the performer.

- (THE PERFORMER NEVER TOUCHES THE CARDS OR BOX AGAIN)

- The audience as a whole / an audience member calls out a number from 1 to 52.

- The spectator thinks of two cards and calls them out loud to the audience.

- The audience help choose a final card by helping the spectator choose just ONE of the cards he called out.

- The spectator deals down to the number the audience called out and there is the card he not only thought of, but that the audience helped him pick.


Just to recap:

- ONE DECK
- NO memorised stack
- NO maths / cribs / calculations
- The performer NEVER touches the cards - the cards can be sealed in an envelope and left on stage prior to the performance
- It's EASY to perform, and pretty good fun too

And above all, and one of my favourite things about this routine is it involves everyone in the audience, and has a good plot that makes sense and is entertaining.

BUT IS IT A 'REAL' ACAAN?

Now you could argue that this method vs that method is 'purer' than another, and fair enough, we're not just mentalists around here but also magicians and thinkers who like to think what they're doing is 'the real thing'.

But personally I only care what the audience believe to be true, and as what I've written above is exactly what the audience thinks has happened, then in my opinion, it has.

I wanted to create an easy to perform, hands-off, no sleight / no memorisation ACAAN.

And I believe that this is what the audience sees. They witness an ACAAN, and everyone gets to help the spectator choose his card too, which creates even more involvement.

Appearances are everything. 'It looked like an ACAAN' and 'It was an ACAAN' are the same thing. The only people who can tell the difference are magicians and mentalists, but as we don't talk to real people then that's largely irrelevant.

HOWEVER

I will clear some things up. My Chaos Theory routine is for stage / platform / parlour, or larger audience.

It uses dual reality, but is well scripted to cover for this, so no one feels duped - everyone feels something cool happened. This is NOT instant stooge. Far from it.

There IS a version which isn't really ACAAN in the ebook (and I readily admit this) which is better for walkaround / smaller groups. But this version is included because I quite like it, and thought it should be included, even though it's not strictly ACAAN. Quite a few people are quite enjoying performing this version however.

WHY USE MY VERSION?

Because you never want to touch the cards, and you want to be able to perform an ACAAN at your next show without having to remember a stacked deck or do any calculations, leaving you more space to perform and have some fun without all the brainache and perspiration.

As far as I'm concerned, if you ever go near the cards in an ACAAN then people can always say 'but he fiddled the cards', thus negating your ACAAN no matter how good you think it is.

I believe that the trade offs in Chaos Theory are more than made up for in the fact that you never have to touch the cards.

Whatever the audience thinks, they won't for even a second be able to think that you switched decks, changed card orders or even touched or went anywhere near the cards.

Because you didn't.

ARE YOU FINISHED?

Yes, thanks for listening. ACAAN is one of those things that none of us can leave alone, and I hope my version has helped get the number of available ACAANs out there at least in to the low 100s. If my version isn't for you I wish you luck finding the 'real' one. If you do, please let me know.

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Thanks for your detailed answer! But...

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On 2012-04-18 14:36, bevbevvybev wrote:
- The spectator thinks of two cards and calls them out loud to the audience.


... Can you elaborate a bit more on this, please?
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I have elaborated enough. Any more info and I'd be giving away the whole method.

I wrote my last rather long post in an attempt to stop this thread becoming the endless fishing for the method.

I guess that didn't work then.
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On 2012-04-19 12:22, bevbevvybev wrote:
I have elaborated enough. Any more info and I'd be giving away the whole method.

I wrote my last rather long post in an attempt to stop this thread becoming the endless fishing for the method.

I guess that didn't work then.


no, Julian, it won't work. You should have predicted that. Always leave them wanting more. It's like a spam phone call, once you engage them in conversation they know they got ya. It's better to just to hang up.

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On 2012-04-19 12:22, bevbevvybev wrote:
I have elaborated enough. Any more info and I'd be giving away the whole method.

I wrote my last rather long post in an attempt to stop this thread becoming the endless fishing for the method.

I guess that didn't work then.


no, Julian, it won't work. You should have predicted that. Always leave them wanting more. It's like a spam phone call, once you engage them in conversation they know they got ya. It's better to just to hang up.

J


Not true at all. I bought the pdf, so s**t up Smile You don't know what you are talking about.
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On 2012-04-19 16:34, doriancaudal wrote:
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On 2012-04-19 16:22, johncesta wrote:
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On 2012-04-19 12:22, bevbevvybev wrote:
I have elaborated enough. Any more info and I'd be giving away the whole method.

I wrote my last rather long post in an attempt to stop this thread becoming the endless fishing for the method.

I guess that didn't work then.


no, Julian, it won't work. You should have predicted that. Always leave them wanting more. It's like a spam phone call, once you engage them in conversation they know they got ya. It's better to just to hang up.

J


Not true at all. I bought the pdf, so s**t up Smile You don't know what you are talking about.


No actually I do think once you engage a spam phone caller in conversation you will lose. They want you to engage them in conversation. That's the trick in that game. They could then say something that will get your interest.

J
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I'm sorry Julian but the spectator will feel liked they have been duped using this method. They will return to their seat and immediately tell their friends that their choice of card/s was not so fair. I honestly don't think the patter justifies holding the pad up to them almost straight after you have the number chosen.

Can I ask, what do you do with the pad after the performance? Do you have any suggestion to recycle the pad for something else?
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Barrie Richardson, who has an entire chapter devoted to his own approach to ACAAN in his book 'Theatre Of The Mind' had this to say about Chaos Theory:

'Great thinking. Bravo!'
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Julian, I appreciate how frankly you've replied so far to questions regarding your ACAAN, and I absolutely do understand that you don't want to give away even more information in order to protect your secret.

However, the way you are offhand about Nathan's definite objection (simply not addressing it) just doesn't look professional to me. Chaos Theory is surely a great effect and it doesn't have to please everyone but hedging a question like this just seems not that convincing to me.
Maybe you both can resolve this by PM?
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Alright, I took the plunge to know for myself what we're actually talking about here. 

And I was pleasantly surprised!

The 23 page ebook is clearly written and the instructions are laid out for the reader to easily understand, pictures help where necessary. 
The method is clever (in a way that TresLibre was clever, too) and perfectly woven into the premise. No doubt this is not a straight-to-the-point card trick where one can show off his finest sleights... it's rather a story about an experiment... 

Chaos Theory employs a powerful tool in mentalism, but to whoever is afraid to use it (or when the performance settings don't suit), a great variation is offered (which I heard some readers like even more. Not sure for myself, though - I think both have their justification).

As an additional great touch, Julian not only delivers an example for the patter, he also dedicates the last chapter of the book to some hints and tips, to ensure a hassle-free experience.

This gets my full recommendation as a new, unusual approach to ACAAN - and what else would this age old problem more benefit from than a new approach...? Smile
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Nicolino, could you comment on Nathans post?
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That would be hard a task publicly...!
I'll shoot you a PM!
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I'm curious to know what your thoughts on my post were. Can you forward me the PM please, provided there is nothing too personal in there. Thanks! Smile
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Sure, PM sent.
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Thanks for keeping the bigger discussion about this private.
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