|
|
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4~5~6~7 [Next] | ||||||||||
Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
Agreed it doesn't look or feel like a house key. But it is a close match to a storage unit padlock key that I have (that I now hang together with the Shift key). I haven't had a problem resetting the key once I ensured it was cold enough. Also the key stays straight for me. British houses and climate are perhaps better (colder) than US or many other parts of the world.
Mike |
|||||||||
mndude Special user 879 Posts |
I've just received my key. The width of the key is not a factor as I imagined it would be. It looks like a storage locker or mail key to me. I wish it looked a little more like a house key, but it'll do, especially since I intend to borrow the key from stooges when performing.
It would have been useful if they had included an electron scanning microscope to read the user guide that came with the gimmick. I am certain that in my entire life, I have never seen instructions written in a font so tiny. It seems to be font size one if there's even such a thing. I've performed the key a few times, and it always gets a real "WOW!" response (and this is without borrowing the key from a stooge). No one seems to have a clue of how it was done. I've received suggestions such as "did you show it to me upside down at first?" "Do you really have two keys?" One thing that seems to be very frustrating though is that it does not seem to remain straight as it's supposed to. I asked the valley girl at the office that always screams "OMG!" at my tricks if I could borrow a key. I put her own keys into her hand so I would build up that it's possible with any key, theoritically. After failing once or twice, my stooge stumbled upon on us to ask "what's up?" I asked him to see if he had keys we could use since I wasn't having luck with OMG Girl's keys. He went in his office and brought out his key chain and to my horror, I saw the E Key there with a slight bend appearing in it already (it had been only 10 minutes since I had straightened it). OMG Girl didn't see it, but instead of trying to perform on a key with a slight bend already, I excused myself and said "Uh I've got to read up on this trick some more. Uh, maybe I'll try again this afternoon" I guess I'll have the stooge guy keep the key in the a controlled storage place right before performing the trick. Perhaps if I can find a microscope strong enough, I'll find useful tips in the instructions. My ratings: Visual Impact: 10 Credibility of Real Magic or Psychic Powers: 9 Instructions: 1 Reliability: 4 Value: 6 |
|||||||||
Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
Unfortunately...I'm not in a position to spend $100+ just to see if I can figure out why y'all are so ****ed at the thickness of a key...but one thing has been bothering me since reading all the posts:
if it doesn't look like a House Key, but like a storage locker key, why tell anyone it it's a House key? Be better to say it's a storage locker key and have done with it...surely? In fact...why tell them it's ANY kinda' key in the first place? I have my key ring next to me on my desk: House key, car key, back gate key, key to my safety deposit box, key to a safe, key to my desk drawers plus about 4 others...they're pretty much all different. Why would anyone question what the key was for? It's a key. And Ustaad, way to go ignoring Jay's rebuttal of your quite ridiculous post, and you do realise that Christmas was ages ago...dontcha? |
|||||||||
simcoscor Inner circle montreal 1140 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-04-11 12:45, mndude wrote: That way, the key looks bigger. |
|||||||||
Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
Could you attach a little 'key ring' that has the logo of a local storage unit place?
|
|||||||||
Barnstormer Regular user Batavia, Ohio 153 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-04-11 13:43, Rabid wrote: I think you are missing the point entirely. Please re-read my post. 1. the SHAPE (cut) of the key is made to look like a standard house key. The shape does NOT appear to be anything other than the common house key shape that EVERYONE is used to being a normal sized key. The gimmick is so thin and light that it would surely break apart if used in a full sized lock more than a few times. 2. The product is sold and ADVERTISED as a gimmick HOUSE key which it will NOT pass for. Thus... as posted.. Had the gimmick been shaped as smaller key, like a locker key, we would not be griping about this problem as it would not be a problem. However, I suspect many of us that are having issues with it retaining a slight bend or wave would still be talking about that problem. . |
|||||||||
Jay Crowe Loyal user Visual Artist 269 Posts |
I would like to address something very important here, as some of the comments are giving an incorrect idea to others:
1) There is not such thing as "wave" on these keys. The key has been designed to hold temperature AND shape. The "wave" that some mention is actually the key bending prematurely, and that is NOT a gimmick issue. It happens *only* when the setup is not done correctly (not cold enough) , or your temperature is over 77F/25C. If anyone has any doubts about these claims, please skype me and I can show you the key fully straightened for 1 hour or more (if you would like to chat with me that long ) You can also drop by E's booth at IMX and watch the key straightened for as long as you want until you decide to buy it. Even overnight, if you don't mind sleeping on the floor! 2) It seems to me that some of the buyers are afraid to break the key (I understand that). Let me assure you, that *won't* happen. After you cool it down the metal gets elastic, so there is 0% chance that the key would ever be ruined. If your key ever gets damaged (unlikely to happen), I'll replace it free of cost for you. 3) Every place in the world, has their own temperatures. For some people, ice and water works perfectly, for others fridge is great. But for EVERYONE, and for all kind of circumstances, the following setup will hold your key "GLUED" to the table without moving: Hold the key by the head (grab the less metal possible) spray it ALL in both sides (not only in the bent area). Then using both thumbs (meeting together at the middle) apply pressure to make it flat. Even bend it a bit past the flat point. Don't worry, the metal is elastic and won't break. Be as quick as possible, to touch it the less possible. Quickly spray it all again, while on the table, and don't touch it again, until you want to perform. I carry mine on my key chain along with my house, office, and mailbox keys. It will hold the temperature perfectly, and won't bend until you want to. Do the setup exactly as described and it will work perfectly. If you have any other questions at all, please get in touch with us, I would love to hear from you, and I'm always happy to help: eurekamagic@gmail.com Best, Jay
CEO, Eureka Magic
www.eurekamagic.com - magic that works www.facebook.com/eurekamagic www.facebook.com/jaycrowemagic |
|||||||||
Barnstormer Regular user Batavia, Ohio 153 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-04-11 12:04, smacks183 wrote: Sadly, not a bad idea. I had high hopes for this product and fell for the advertising on the E site completely. I was beside myself with disappointment from the moment I opened the box. I am LOATH to recommend a Chinese product over a over a U.S. product but... A friendly forum member PM'ed me a link to an eBay key that looked good so I ordered it and it is indeed very realistic. All of the other Chinese keys on eBay look worse then the E key but this one is shaped like a locker key and has a perfect weight and thickness for what it appears to be. Everyone has their own style and methods but for ME.. I would rather pass off a realistic key that is cold than try to pass off a very fake looking key as real. . |
|||||||||
Barnstormer Regular user Batavia, Ohio 153 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-04-11 17:34, Jay Crowe wrote: Jay, Using spray, ice, overnight in the freezer and bending past the flat point I CAN get the key flat. However, at 72F for less than an hour it will get a slight wave/bend back in it. I do know how to tell when it is 72F as I have worked in engineering and biology labs for decades. While YOUR key may be doing fine, mine is not as are several other peoples. Is your key out of the same production run that is being shipped out now? . |
|||||||||
Barnstormer Regular user Batavia, Ohio 153 Posts |
Here is the flat key, cooled with spray method: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25426430@N0......tostream
15min later, key held only from key chain since last photo @ 73F : http://www.flickr.com/photos/25426430@N0......ostream/ . |
|||||||||
tomacker New user 76 Posts |
I have to agree with Rabid. I have received my key a couple of days ago. Seriously, are most of the people here magicians? Why in the world have you to justify or introduce the key as a locker, storage key etc? Maybe you should start saying to spectators, here's a regular key, RIGHT? Looks like a real key doesn't it?? LOL.
Gimmick: the key has a lot of detail. I like that. Engraved, machined, etc makes it authentic. Actually I've seen similar keys to this one in many shops. I have left my key on the dinner table before going to sleep, by the morning was still flat. 10/10 Instructions: a lot of ideas in both manual and video, but at the end, we will all use it in the same way: a key that bends on the spectator hand. I don't think it can get more strong and clean than this. 8/10 Audience feedback: Ive performed it around 5 times and I had a great response from people. It's super clean. Not a single suspicious comment about it. 10/10 Cons: You have to cool it down. Hope one day they find way to do the setup without cold. But I guess, that would be Real magic! 8/10 Overall, along with Micro Psychic I think this has been one of my best purchases this year. Highly recommended. |
|||||||||
mndude Special user 879 Posts |
The design is not perfect, but before doing the bend, I've asked spectators to hand me their keys which I take them off and pretend to try to perform magic on their non-gimmicked keys, until finally succeeding with the E Key that a stooge hands me. From my observations, it looks like keys come in all kinds of shapes and sizes, and although the E Key is atypical, I've found many other atypical keys that everyone seems to have.
So far, no one's guessed at it being a gimmicked key. Handing them a key that's already bent seems to be the common accusation I get. I guess I'll try to reset the key using something colder next time to see if works better on keeping it straight. |
|||||||||
Barnstormer Regular user Batavia, Ohio 153 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-04-11 18:13, mndude wrote:Handing them a key that's already bent seems to be the common accusation I get. yep. which also brings attention to the thin/light issue. Quote:
On 2012-04-11 18:09, tomacker wrote: Seriously, are most of the people here magicians? If that is your logic why are you even using a gimmick key? You should be using prestidigitation not a gimmick. What is at issue is the product advertising and function not how well you can polish a turd. . |
|||||||||
edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Quote:
Ustaad, After the knockoff *YOU* released of Andrew Gerard's PK Bill, I can't say that Im surprised by your posture. Jay, I think you got this backwards. Magic dealers have a history of providing products with a 100%+ markup. These products are available much cheaper elsewhere. Take, for example, R/S = Testors Dullcote(appox. $7), P* R*** = super******man(appox. $15)...and the list goes on. Take a look at what these products where/are going for on a dealers site. Ustaad simply points out this fact(Magicians helping Magicians). Granted the dealers would like to shut Ustaad up so they can make these huge profits on certain items. I personally hope Ustaad continues to post and help us consumers make an informed decision as to what purchases to make.
Magic is a vanishing art.
|
|||||||||
Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-04-11 21:59, edh wrote: I agree! |
|||||||||
Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
Ustaad posting help to consumers is fine. The way he posts it isn't. Especially if he suggests wrong doing on anothers part without any evidence and then fails to apologise for same. But that's just my opinion.
Barnstormer: I didn't mis-read your post and I wasn't speaking to you directly in mine. However, I will restate two things: 1) it's a key, not all keys are the same, I fail to see the problem even after seeing your photos, but 2) I do not own one, haven't held one so my opinions are simply based on the information available. |
|||||||||
Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-04-11 18:05, Barnstormer wrote: Your bend after 15 min looks pretty minimal to me and would almost certainly go unnoticed (especially with proper spectator management). I'd second Jay's advice to (a) make sure the key is cold enough, (b) bend it completely flat, maybe by bending it slightly more than needed, (c) then immediately cool it again. Mike |
|||||||||
Barnstormer Regular user Batavia, Ohio 153 Posts |
[quote]On 2012-04-12 07:38, Michael Daniels wrote:
Quote:
Thank you for recommending what has already been posted, and what I have already posed was done. What is it with this forum? Instead of reviewing a product based on: product description, product performance, product support and product value... Yahoos, some of which don't even own the product, come in and blame any faults in the product, or the product description vrs performance on the BUYER? Personally, I don't care if you don't consider some one a magician unless they can pull a trinket out of a cracker-jack box and convince the most skeptical audience that it is a live rabbit. What is at issue in a product review is THE PRODUCT and the FEATURES it is advertised to have. Product claims: Designed to look "Just like a HOUSE KEY". Resembles a normal key. False. The gimmick is so obviously NOT a normal house key, you are forced to create a work around. For at least a number of owners the reset process is not simple, and at room temp acquires a wave or bend, obvious on inspection. What does work is an impressive in-hand bend that is reasonably controllable. The website and video claim this is a self-bending gimmick that is examinable, high quality and is "just like a house key" for $99. 2 out of 10. ( it is self bending) For those that want to make anything work, even if the product is not as described, through "spectator management", I suggest you start your own thread that is not a product review. Furthermore, if you have to put this much into "spectator management" why would you even use a gimmick? Spectator manage a real key. . |
|||||||||
Rabid Elite user 495 Posts |
Jesus fella...you wanna' calm down a little. I pointed out that I do not own it but that based on your own photos (and those of others) I couldn't see what the problem was regarding thickness / how the key looked as I had multiple keys that all looked different.
But I do agree with you on one thing it seems: "What is it with this forum?" |
|||||||||
mndude Special user 879 Posts |
I'm noticing that it seems to take at least 30 seconds in a spectator's hand to perform the bend successfully so I'm thinking I'll have to come up with some story during the wait instead of 30+ seconds of "focus on the energy, focus on the energy.." Any good story tellers have any ideas?
|
|||||||||
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Latest and Greatest? » » Shift (0 Likes) | ||||||||||
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4~5~6~7 [Next] |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.08 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |