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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
Pop, I see your point and I totally get it about the sound. In the UK the word "chink" is a particularly vulgar term and pretty offensive to many so I wouldn't use it myself. Maybe in the USA it isn't seen that way? I honestly don't know about that as many terms and phrases differ from one side of the big pond to another.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2012-04-05 14:48, cupsandballsmagic wrote: In the U.S. -- and everywhere else, including the UK, I'd imagine -- it's about context...how you use the word and what your intentions are. If I say "There's a chink in your armor," no reasonable person would find that offensive; in that context, "chink" means a flaw, and anyone who'd be offended by its use needs to buy a dictionary. Likewise the name "Chink-a-Chink" for a classic magic routine. In that context, "chink" never had anything to do with a derogatory term for a Chinese person, so again, only an unreasonable person would be offended. (I can understand being concerned about offending a layperson who doesn't know where the name comes from...but honestly: Who announces the name of a trick in this day and age? "For my next trick, I'll do a little something called Chink-a-Chink." Nobody does that! )
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
Oh I don't dissagree, I was simply offering an explanation as to why it may be considered offensive.
Actually you've hit on on of my pet peeves there, you do see magicians introducing "chop cups" and "silks" etc a fair bit though. |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2012-04-05 16:40, cupsandballsmagic wrote: Heh. Yeah, that's true. I'm thinking naming each trick before you do it would be an easy way to do a good impression of a bad magician. "And now, ladies and gentlemen, the multiplying balls! Guess what this single ball is about to do."
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Josh the Superfluous Inner circle The man of 1881 Posts |
How about "The King of Clubs" from Tarbell?
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On 2012-04-01 21:31, cupsandballsmagic wrote: |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
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On 2012-04-05 19:15, Josh the Superfluous wrote: I'm not normally into political correctness, but I shake my head when I see those pages. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
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On 2012-04-05 19:15, Josh the Superfluous wrote: That trick actually still could be done. Sometime back there were posts about this particular trick on another magic forum. In defense of Tarbell, when he wrote the original course, Al Jolson was one of the most popular entertainers in the world. However, most white people had no idea how offensive the blackface act he did was to a large percentage of our population. But there is no reason that the card would need to change as indicated in the original. For example, during the first half of the 1970's it could have changed into Elvis Presley. Or it could have changed into Liberace. If we wanted to do this trick these days, we would need to find a corresponding contemporary performer.
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
I played around with this last week, and while the craftsmanship and appearance were very nice, the actual operation was terrible. I've never had to slam a cup so hard in my life to get it to work. Perhaps with a different set of balls it might work better, but with the ones supplied I found it to be virtually useless.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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brian314 Regular user Michigan 112 Posts |
Andrew,
That is the complaint about the first run of the cup, so it looks like they have not corrected the problem. |
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jerdunn Inner circle 1735 Posts |
I got the cup and had to switch out the balls for an adjustable set I had (RNTII, I believe), which work flawlessly, so problem solved.
Fantasma should have fixed the problem BEFORE selling the cups again, rather than making the customer solve it. But the cup itself is extremely nice. Cheers, Jerry |
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
Jerry or Andrew,
Can either of you tell me if the cup is a different color than the old one? In the add it looks there is a green dragon on the cup and bag and an orange ball. Thanks, Jorey
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
I can only assume it is the same quality. I say this because while in New York a few years back (right before they became unavailable) I was at fantasma and was able to ask David Roth personally about the product. I remember him saying that they would be out soon until they could get the manufacturer to make more. So, I'm guessing this is just the next run from the same manufacturer. Could be wrong though.
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jerdunn Inner circle 1735 Posts |
The cup I got is dark, with red balls. I specifically asked to have a dark one, not the lighter one that appears in some recent photos. There's a dragon on the cup.
The set looks like the photo in their auction site ad: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll......00521215 Better to buy directly from Fantasma, though, since the $79.95 price includes free shipping (the auction site has a stiff shipping charge). Cheers, Jerry |
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
Thanks, Jerry!
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen |
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ThatsCool Elite user 424 Posts |
Does anyone know if this is the same coloring and quality as the first run?
Thanks. |
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