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This sounds like a silly question , but I was just wondering how much more practical manip cards are over standard ones. At the momnent, with a brand new bike deck, I can back palm and single production about 7 cards, anymore than that and it get stupid,
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The main difference is manipulation cards are thinner than normal decks, they also have flesh coloured backs which helps reduce flashing.

Thinner cards allow more to be backpalmed.

I suggest you use the search function, as so many discussions regarding manipulation cards already exist - you will learn a lot if you research them.

Good luck.

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The differences are many.

- The manip cards are much thinner in weight
- They do not have a wax coating to the cards which allows them to be more plyable
- They are actually a bit smaller then normal cards which allows for a better fit in the hand
- They are flesh colored on the backs so that they blend in better in the shadows between your fingers

The only problems with manip cards is that they do not fan well without the use of fanning powder. I hope some of this information is of help to you.
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I think I would prefer just normal bikes. Smile they seem to be working great for my style.
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The white borders flash, though.
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Not really, I use red backed cards also. Someimes I use white gloves also. If you keep the cards in motion they don't flash, or at least I can't see it neither can my friends.
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Eddy,

This topic has been discussed before but always worth diggin' up. Smile

Kyle's post details the differences between standard poker size cards and those sold as "manipulation cards".

What I would like to point out is that many, no the majority, of card manipulators tend to return to standard poker size cards. Then the new preference in color or brand begins. Many, including myself, prefer red or blue back BEE brand. A few go with BIKES. Whatever the preference among the regulation deck may be, many do try the $20 packet of thin or extra-thin manipulation cards and soon abandon them.

I wonder if Cardini had access to such thin fleshback manip. cards. I tend to doubt it.

I say for the sake of being absolutely certain, try them ALL.
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Manipulation cards are thinner then the others, and they have flesh colour that makes them invisible to the audience.


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On 2003-09-30 19:22, djvirtualreality wrote:
I think I would prefer just normal bikes. Smile they seem to be working great for my style.


If you are interested with card manipulation, I'll advise you to try the manipulation cards. What can you loose?...besides money.
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I wonder if Cardini had access to such thin fleshback manip. cards. I tend to doubt it.


Here's some interesting lore about Cardini and the cards he used in his act. The brand was named Podeaux, they were bridge size not poker and he got them at Walgreens! I'm not kidding, Walgreens Drugstore! He used them because they had an unusual back design which featured an art deco winged Pegasus in black, red, and white. They made beautiful patterns when fanned. He used these exclusively and they became a sort of trademark for him, so he bought the rights to the back design and bought up all the remaining stock from Walgreens Corp. He didn't want any other magician to use them.

I have held a deck of them in my hand and I can attest that they were just the typical art design bridge deck you would expect to find in any drugstore. They were nothing special, except when touched by the master's hands of course. One thing not mentioned in this thread is the manipulation cards have indexes in all 4 corners. This is nice when doing fans in both directions. I used Neilsen's for years, but I recently changed to Murphy's. They are thinner and have a truer flesh color back. They cost about $12 per deck but if you keep them in a press they will last a long time. They do require powder at first, but I find I don't need to powder them once they are broken in.
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I have tried them all and have landed on using Nielsen cards for split fans and singles because you can handle quite a number of them at once. For fanning and flourishing, regular cards I think are better.
There is a marketing point here too, some like Jeff McBride have custom printed decks of cards and these can be sold at the merchandise table, thrown to the audience, given as souvenirs and stay behind to advertise your contact info.
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Manipulation cards have their pros and cons. I can backpalm about 20 - 25 manipulation cards. I can back palm about 15 bikes. But, I find that manipulation cards are a bit too flimsy when doing the production. Bikes are very stiff and they pop out kind of so it makes it a little easier.
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It is funny because I also use regular Bees or Bikes in my own card manipulation act. Part of my reason was out of necessity.

I like to show the fronts and backs of the cards and I also do cards to jumbo card productions through out the act. If I show a bike back and then a jumbo card and the backs do not match up, then it does not look right to the audience.

I also found that if I work in the cards well and care for them like I should, I can get them to behave exactly like manipulation style cards.

Then I can use non-worked in cards for body steals when I need them for my card scaling or snap changes or moves that require a stiffer card to work well.

The best advice I can give is try them all and see what works best for you and for the needs of your act.
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I have no problems producing singles with the thinner manipulation cards. I do, however, prefer Bees when doing snap, perfect, and split fan productions because I am pretty aggresive with the cards. My advice is to get several decks, break them in if you have to, and see what works for you.
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On 2003-10-20 03:02, chriscapstone wrote:
Here's some interesting lore about Cardini and the cards he used in his act. The brand was named Podeaux, they were bridge size not poker and he got them at Walgreens! I'm not kidding, Walgreens Drugstore!


In an interesting coincidence, I found myself playing with different decks for manipulation cards. I bought Bikes, Bees and the cheap deck at Walgreens called Stud. After playing around with them I found the Studs to be pretty decent. I will probably buy a few more decks and prepare them properly.

Hmmm. Walgreens, the historical supplier of card manipulators. (Although these have a much more pedestrian back than what you described.)

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[quote]On 2003-10-23 01:41, cmwalden wrote:
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Hmmm. Walgreens, the historical supplier of card manipulators. cMw


I'll bet their marketing team scratches head and wonders what's up with those high card sales. They wouldn't believe it if told the truth. Sure love my Walgreens.
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Yeah, Walgreens is a supplier of choice. haha
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Interesting facts! Some inside knowledge of Cardini... he shopped at Walgreens.

Smile

It's been fun reading the interesting facts, even though we slightly went off topic on the way Smile

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Walmart is one of my favorite magic shops!
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I love any dollar store I can get to. I find some great props and stuff for my magic and my kids shows. Always be on the look out for anything that works. Not all great magic is found at a magic store.
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