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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Tommy, are the relatives given a voice in European proceedings?
Surely, it must have been an American case where someone got 20 years for simple burglary.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Three thoughts
1. Let the escapees out. When in the military part of our duty was escape if captured. 2. I sat one seat over and one row up from Neal Young at a Giants game, I didn't say anything but it was way cool. 3. What idiot thinks Bob Dylan was a Beat anything? He went rock to folk back to rock, Beat, what an arse that writer is. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I don't think they are in England but as you know the law keeps changing. The prosecucution certainly tell the court about what impact the crime it has had on victims.
A life sentence here is 99 years and a lifer can normally get parole but he is on parole for the rest of his life. They can be recalled to prison for petty things while on parole. There is little difference here and the USA when it comes to prison and trials etc in my opinon.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I know a kid, my little brother best buddy from when they were toddlers who is doing life, if still alive since he was 'pretty' and small, for three strikes. I don't know what first two strikes wre but number three was hitting a guy, the wrong guy, w a bat then telling the police he did it not knowing no one knew it was him. That is a long time for a bat whack. Lobo, is there a way to see if he still in?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-04-10 22:52, MagicSanta wrote: Do you know what prison he was in?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
No, I think San Quentin once but they have a couple new ones I guess. I don't know if specific regions go to local prisons but he was convicted in San Jose.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Tried an inmate locator?
http://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/ http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Victim impact statements have always been a part of the Irish system.
What seems to be lacking in the American system is any way of correcting a mistake. Conviction for murder overturned - spend the rest of your life behind bars. How is that right? That is not a cultural difference. That is a miscarriage of justice.
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2012-04-11 08:22, TonyB2009 wrote: ????
Peace
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-04-11 08:22, TonyB2009 wrote: Confused What are you saying?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-04-11 09:44, Dreadnought wrote: I believe he was referring to a case at a link I posted: http://www.justicedenied.org/michael.htm
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
I'll read it later, when I have time.
Peace
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-04-11 08:22, TonyB2009 wrote: Then I would suggest to you that there is a retributive element to your system. Clearly, it's not the primary purpose, but still, victim statements would be entirely irrelevant to sentencing if the only considerations were rehabilitation and public safety.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Victim Impact Statements were sought and used in the Irish Criminal Justice System in an ad hoc manner prior to being given legislative recognition under Section 5 of the Criminal Justice Act 1993. Section 5 has been amended under the provisions of Part 2 of the Criminal Procedures Act 2010. Part 2 of the 2010 Act is titled “Impact of Crime on Victim”.
That is Northern Ireland and then there is Southern Ireland. Ireland is not one country. South http://www.rcni.ie/menu.aspx?Menu=410 It seems to me at a mere glance that they are used in sex cases only and quite new.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-04-11 11:29, LobowolfXXX wrote: I don't think TonyB2009 claimed that the ONLY considerations in sentencing in Ireland were rehabilitation and public safety, did he? (If he did, I missed it.) Also, I can see how victim statements could play a part in the process of rehabilitation.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Yes, he did say it. 6:30 p.m. on the 8th.
I agree that impact statements Can play a part in rehabilitation, but they're also playing a retributive role when the law provides that they can be taken into account in sentencing, as it does in Ireland.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Victim impact statements are made in cases in Ireland. They are not limited to sexual cases, as Tommy suggested. They give the victim a chance to be heard, and a sense of being involved in the proceedings. They also give a sense of closure. Their purpose is not retributive. Sentencing takes a number of things into account, and the victim impact statement holds little legal weight. It is a service for the victim, and as such has its uses.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
3. Offences on which a Victim Impact Statement can be made
A victim can only supply a Victim Impact Statement if the offence is: A sexual offence (within the meaning of the Criminal Evidence Act 1992). An offence involving violence or the threat of violence to a person. An offence under the Non-Fatal Offences against the Person Act 1997. An offence consisting or attempting or conspiring to commit, or aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring or inciting the commission of one of the above.
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jugglestruck Inner circle Wales 1038 Posts |
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On 2012-04-10 21:47, LobowolfXXX wrote: Seeing as the victim impact statement seems to have been quite comprehensively answered this is my response to the murder/burglary question. As I said before, I don't see the advantage of keeping somebody locked up if they are no danger to the public. I would like to dismiss the "hypothetical month" here as I do think this short period stretches the boundaries of imagination and lies outside of reality. In my mind the all-important issue is genuine change, not the time it takes. It would take many years to assess a murderers reformed character so in all probability they would not be released anytime in the near future. I also do not see the point of releasing a persistent menace to society if they have served six months in prison and it is clearly accepted that they are going to go straight out and reoffend. Hope that helps LobowolfXXX |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-04-11 12:54, TonyB2009 wrote: Impact statements do all those things, but their purpose is, nonetheless, in part retributive. If if were not, judges wouldn't be *permitted* to take them into account at sentencing. Moreover, the very "proportionality" you appealed to in the Stewart/Manson sub-thread is also grounded in retributive theory, which simply states that the worse a person's crime, the greater the punishment should be. In the absence of ANY retributive considerations, you'd keep a shopligter with a 10% chance to reoffend locked up longer than a murderer who you knew wouldn't reoffend. Mandatory minimum sentences also have a partially retributive rationale, for that reason. The nice thing is that goals if criminal justice systems are usually not incompatible. When you lock people up for, say, 10 years, that serves multiple aims, including general and specific deterrence, incapacitation, and retribution. It may be a minor goal, subordinate to the ones you're obviously more fond of, your system IS partially retributive, certainly in its structure, and I assume its intent (but if you have an authoritative source that says otherwise, I'd be interested to read it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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