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On Mar 19, 2016, C. Dunlop Magic wrote: If you are performing professionally, the cost of repurchasing the trick is trivial. Be grateful that you got a professional routine for that little money!
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pkson79 New user 40 Posts
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I try to perform for my-layman-self: slightly logical, not easily fooled, and doesn't believe in "magic."
So I actually like not showing anything except one face up joker. And I just say "I have four jokers." (In a very serious voice. trying to convince the spectators by just saying it's so.) That would automatically ring bells in my-layman-self. Which is what my-magician-self wants. Because that would lower expectations to rock bottom. Even when the first joker has seemingly turned face down, it's followed by "You could think I already had that one card face down." Acknowledging my-layman-self. After a snap of the fingers, "however, NOW there are TWO.." which brings everything up to a very fast pace magically. So I really don't see the need for the block count and showing four face up jokers, because it seems like you're running when no one is chasing you. Just adding my presentation to the thread. Hope it makes sense. Edit: oh, and concerning the OP, yes. NFW is on top of my list of go to effects, I always have it in my suitcase, and it's stayed with me for over a decade. It's such an awesome trick. Luckily, it hasn't been overdone as much as the invisible deck or the Svengali. Even better.
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GeorgeKerzon New user 88 Posts
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I don't think it's important to show 4 face up jokers to start. Start by saying a trick with 4 jokers and show the face up joker packet. If I give them a twist 1 joker turns over and now you count the packet. Now you continue the trick normally. I never had anyone question this. I love NFW but it looks like the latest version at Penguin is a rip off of Richard Sanders Ace, which is great btw.
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts
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I do NFW every once in a while, and while I don't show all four jokers I think it is better if you do. (And I will work that in when I get around to it, I swear!
 ) I usually start by showing the face up pack and telling the audience that I have this cool trick with four face up jokers where I magically turn them over one at a time, and then I show them the top two cards (jokers) and demonstrate flipping the top card over. No one has ever questioned the trick. It plays very strong. But I think it's better if you show all four jokers. I've just been lazy about it. Ideally, you want your audience going away with a solid story. When they are telling someone about the great magician who turned four jokers into four aces, you ideally want them to be able to respond to a skeptical person that, "No, she started out by showing me all four jokers," thereby eliminating any possibility that it could be anything other than real magic (though they know it cannot be).
So maybe this will inspire me to do one of the presentations where you can show four jokers. It's time to beef it up. 
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4389 Posts
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NFW is a great trick. I used to do it. I just have gravitated to other "packet" tricks. For me, it was natural to gravitate to two categories of packet tricks:
1. Those from an ordinary deck of cards, like oil and water or Twsting the Aces. 2. Maybe a couple or perhaps even just one really good gaffed or custom packet trick. I really like the Corner of Piccadilly by Paul Gordon. KJ |
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mindthump New user 30 Posts
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I just started doing NFW and I love it. I took a lot from the Rick Lax "No Joke" handling that comes with the Penguin version. I used a roughing stick (I love that thing!) on one Joker and another particular card to prevent flashes; that works great. I basically flustration count the Jokers then do a certain kind of display as an excuse to get two important cards face-to-face, and the dirty work is done. I hold the only suspicious card while 3 spectators have the other Aces (see the Penguin/RL trailer).
I don't actually count "4 fronts and 4 backs", but I do stop in the middle of the flustration count and point out how the rock near the back tire has "808" on it, the card design/model number. Most people never seem to have noticed that. My hands are turned so they see two Joker faces at the same time, and it also adds time misdirection. No one has (yet) questioned that I was showing only a handful of only Jokers. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9601 Posts
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On May 13, 2016, LoganPorterMagic wrote: Always great to see this string on NFW still going strong after starting it years ago now.
Just wanted to add my voice, that B'Wave is another wonderful packet trick. I think it might be falling back in the pack a bit now, but it's a real gem. I used to do it all the time, might do it some more now. Thanks for reminding me here. 
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts
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I updated my B'wave presentation, using streamlined principles I got from Joshua Jay. I feel it's an improvement. As far as NFW, I loved that effect for years. Used it all the time, but I've layed it aside, let it fall into desuetude, to now use "No Joke" which presentation I learned from Rick Lax. It's essentially NFW, but gets STRAIGHT TO THE POINT. Streamlined, you might say.
1 Here's four jokers (display them) 2 We deal them in four spots on the table. 3 Spectators cover them with their hands. 4 We turn them over and BAM! They are all aces. Katie bar the door! Now you don't have to have spectators cover them with their hands, but magic is always stronger, we are all aware, when it happens in a spectators hand.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts
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Here's a link to my performance of "No Joke" on FB: https://www.facebook.com/doug.working.9/......78903594
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Mystification Special user 571 Posts
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Nice job!
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1008 Posts
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Someone was asking about NFW so I thought I'd bump this.
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EndersGame Inner circle Reviewer EndersGame 2209 Posts
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The vast majority of comments in this thread are about the original handling of NFW.
I'd like to see some more feedback and discussion about the updated handling. The most common one is "No Joke" by Rick Lax, as shown in the Bar Handling version here: To me this makes NFW feels like quite a different trick. It's still amazing, and possibly even more direct because all the emphasis is on the transformation. Plus it has the advantage of magic happening in the spectator's hands. But it does remove the "Twisting the Aces" feel from the start. It also makes the routine feel much more like ACE by Richard Sanders. I've wondered if the handling by Rick Lax was inspired by the alternate handling of NFW taught by Nick Locapo, as demonstrated here: Does anyone know something about the history here? Gary Freed first put out NFW in 1999. At some point Penguin bought the rights to it, and it was after this (and after ACE by Richard Sanders came out) that the Rick Lax "No Joke" version was produced in 2015, which uses the same gaffs but changes the routine significantly. When did the alternate handling by Nick Locapo first come out? The No Joke routine by Rick Lax seems quite a bit like the routine Nick Locapo teaches (although it does use a slightly different method, and Rick's method is easier IMHO). Note that if you buy NFW from Penguin, they give you all these tutorials, i.e. the original handling, the Nick Locapo tutorial (which includes the original handling and his updated handling, similar in feel to ACE and to No Joke), and the Rick Lax `No Joke' tutorials (which is similar in feel to Nick Locapo's `updated version' of NFW). Note that even if you've bought NFW a long time ago, these newer tutorials should also show up in the download area of your Penguin account. |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts
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On Mar 16, 2020, EndersGame wrote: Don't for get Richard Sanders "Supercards" video. I'm not certain where it falls in but I learned of it on page 4 of this topic (back in 2012) and wish I could have found a copy. Looks like some great stuff there. Here is a sample from 2012 on someone elses YouTube I'm pretty sure he is a member here. I found review requests on the Café in 2004 https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......orum=111
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ejohn Special user Atlanta 729 Posts
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That is an awesome and easy Sanders trick, Poof. Happily I learned it somewhere along the way. Richard, please consider a DVD run of Supercards!
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EndersGame Inner circle Reviewer EndersGame 2209 Posts
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On Mar 16, 2020, Poof-Daddy wrote: Yes, I'm well aware of this video. Richards Sanders' "ACE" is effectively a reworking of "4 Card Crunch" from Super Cards, but in more depth. Here's a performance clip from Richard Sanders showing ACE: It seems to me that ACE is what may have inspired the "Updated Handling" for NFW by Nick Locapo (see the demo video which was already posted earlier in this thread), which uses the same props as NFW, but results in quite a different handling and routine. Penguin Magic began providing the Nick Locapo video tutorial with NFW purchases in the last five years or so. They've also been providing the video tutorial of Rick Lax's "No Joke" for buyers of NFW, and No Joke is somewhat reminiscent of both the Nick Locapo handling and of ACE. |
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EndersGame Inner circle Reviewer EndersGame 2209 Posts
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On Apr 27, 2012, Mb217 wrote: In the printed instructions that came with NFW, Twixter is mentioned (see below), but it is claimed that NFW was created independently of Twixter. It also states that Twixter uses more cards - is that correct?  |
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EndersGame Inner circle Reviewer EndersGame 2209 Posts
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It's great to see all the comments in this thread, although the majority of them are about the original NFW and pre-date the "updated handlings" from Nick Locapo and Rick Lax that only came out around 2014-2015. These make it into a very direct in-the-spectators-hands routine that goes straight into the transformation. If you bought NFW from Penguin Magic prior to this time, you really should log in to MyPenguinMagic and check out the downloads for the new video tutorials that should automatically have been added to your account.
Now that NFW comes with new handlings, I figured that it was high time to give NFW a brand new and comprehensive review that covers all the different handlings, a history of the effect, a comparison with Richard Sanders' ACE, and more. So I have put together a detailed review of NFW that covers all these things, and have just posted it over in the review section of The Magic Café here: Review: NFW (Gary Freed) Given that you get multiple video tutorials when you purchase NFW, effectively you get two different tricks with the same set of gaffs: - the original NFW: which is a glorified variation of Twisting the Aces, with a kicker ending - the updated NFW: which eliminates the Twisting the Aces phase, and focuses on a transformation  |
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notasperfectasyou New user DC Metro Area 52 Posts
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I just got a NFW set. I've been working on the "new" handling which doesn't require an Elmsley count. In this handling one of the jokers is shown 3 times and then other joker is shown 1 time. Has anyone tried this with a colored joker and a black/white joker? I want to do this and tell my participant that the goal for them will be to find the odd colored joker. I think this will work, has anyone tried this or does anyone think this is a bad idea?
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dbolan Loyal user Carrollton, Georgia 274 Posts
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On Apr 19, 2012, Mb217 wrote: MB, I could read your posts all day. Love your detail, expressions and relatability.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9601 Posts
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Thank you db, and glad to see this old post still continuing to grow new branches year after year now. 😊
Happy that people keep giving this trick a whirl, cause when you do, you’re hooked forever on it to learn that it is a classic for a reason. 😉 Thanks again for all the good words here. And I continue to tip my hat to Gary Freed for such an amazing card trick. 
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