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Jon Allen
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Hi Guys,

I'm currently working on a new effect using photos. There will be about 6 or 7 in the set. You will be handling all of them during every performance. I have a couple of options:

1) Have the photos printed on laminated card that may well start to fray at the edges over time
2) Have the photos printed on 'plastic card' which is much, much more robust and will not fray.

Option 1 is much cheaper than option 2 thus making the retail price cheaper by maybe 75%. Option 2, while being more expensive, will also keep it's 'new look' for much longer.

Given the choice, which would you prefer to buy?
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If it's a great trick that I'll use all the time then I would go for the more expensive, longer lasting option. I always believe you get what you pay for.
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A major bugbear for me is that when we have effects that use photos - no one ever actually uses JUST photos...they are always encased in something, are funny dimensions or something similar...and then because of that - it starts looking a bit 'funny' to the punters and unrealistic (in my opinion)...

so with that in mind, would it be available just as a straight forward, humble photo? refills being made available and so on... and as it would be used during a gig - its not going to be a huge investment/pricepoint anyway is it...

just my view...
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I agree with IAIN. Use real photos. We then have the option to laminate them ourselves. Perhaps provide the digital images so we can print out a new set when needed.
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I agree: giving us the option to laminate makes sense.
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On 2012-04-14 08:50, IAIN wrote:
A major bugbear for me is that when we have effects that use photos - no one ever actually uses JUST photos...they are always encased in something, are funny dimensions or something similar...and then because of that - it starts looking a bit 'funny' to the punters and unrealistic (in my opinion)...

Funnily enough I thought that about my Whitestar photos.
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I also agree with Ian.

Just ordinary looking prints would be ideal.

An alternative would be a PDF on a DVD where everyone can choose how they get them printed and what size etc.
I guess this may have it's risks though.
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Another option is to do the following math

how long would option 2 last over option 1? say option one someone can use 50 times and option 2 150times simply give them option 1 x 3
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Hey Jon,

Tough to properly answer this without knowing more about the routine and the context in which the photos are to be used.
That said, I would certainly concur that IF the photos are supposed to have some kind of personal significance, the more 'organic,' the better.
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Real photos look much better and don't shout out 'prop'.
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I understand what some of you are saying on a theoretical level. Having said that, I think there are a few things to consider.

First, people know that you can have photos printed on anything these days. Easy enough to get on the internet and have photos printed on tee shirts, mugs, key tags, etc. So, depending on the trick, if you pull out some nicely laminated photos or photos printed on plastic, I don't think it's that weird.

Second, depending on your performing persona, most people you perform for are going to know you are a hobbyist/pro magician/mentalist. Either way, they know you perform on some level. And when you perform, you use props over and over again. Protecting your photos in a laminated pouch doesn't seem weird. In fact, even a non-performer might laminate or have photos printed on plastic just to preserve them. I think its stranger to carry around a bunch of loose photos.

I think we over think these things sometimes. I laminated my photos for Mark Elsdon's Heirloon Redux and no one has ever batted an eyelash over it.

There are exceptions, of course.
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All I know is, its very rare these days for people under say, 35 to carry photos with them or in wallets...

and for those that do keep or carry photos - I have never seen them laminated...

I think realism helps any presentation personally...

also, if you are using a photo that has a memory attached (unless its bizarrism) - you wouldn't use the original photo because of the sentiment attached (well, I wouldn't) - so getting it scanned and printed online would be easy enough to do...

so I wouldn't feel the need to laminate or protect a thing I could get 200 of for less than a tenner..

the only thing I'd carry photos in personally, is the little plastic box you often get them in or the mini paper-folder...(i use photobox - which are very good quality and quick delivery)...

I know its a personal thing - and with mentalism the realism of the object is important...

and all that's said without knowing what this presentation is!
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You best go with the more expensive and sturdier version.
If not, you will never hear the end of it.

I have learned my lesson.
Don't try to make things affordable for people, they won't appreciate it any way.
It just gives them ammo to b]tch about when when they realize that the trick isn't going to make them a superstar and they actually have to work for it.

I have come to the conclusion that's it's just easier this way.

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Randi, you summed up the community at large beautifully!
Jon Allen
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Thanks guys. Some interesting opinions.

The outline of the effect (without giving too much away at this time) is that you have photos of items 'you have in your collection'. You show each photo and something magical happens to one of them.

When I say 'plastic card', it is not as thick as a credit card but more like a postcard. I am not sure if the handling will be conducive to thinner card stock as an actual photograph would be. If it is to be made on the 'plastic card' it would not seem too strange as they could well be actual photos.

I don't want them to look like a magic prop so they will be simple photos on some sort of card stock. I think I am erring on the side of quality. I think if an item is something you will want to perform, the price is secondary (within reason!)
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I wouldn't even print the pictures to begin with. Instead, include a disc that you could take to a local CVS/drugstore to have them printed as needed. Why add additional cost?

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Jon, in my humble opinion, you already have a great rep for turning out quality effects in both production and performance. I've always been impressed by the thought you've put into your routines, performing, teaching, and...manufacturing. Your products are always top-notch in every way. I say trust your heart and put something out you'll be proud of. Those who know you will pay the extra to get something that will last...because they'll most likely be performing it often.
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On 2012-04-14 09:13, GeneTony wrote:
I agree with IAIN. Use real photos. We then have the option to laminate them ourselves. Perhaps provide the digital images so we can print out a new set when needed.
That was my thought as well. Provide a PDF that allows us to print out new photos as needed. That's a no brainier in my opinion.
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