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Thank you MagicBus. However I have heard all the arguments before and find none of them persuasive. But I thank you for your concern.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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We are all "wretches." No wonder http://www.wretchedradio.com with former standup comic Todd Friel is my favorite. Christ died for bad people like myself. View the last 11 minutes of the outstanding DVD- "The Biggest Question".
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Tis not the heat, but the absence of God.

and he knelt down and made some marks on the ground...

......the crowd dispersed........

Boring is in the "eye of the beholder"(thinking to a twilight (not the vampier) zone episode
Serenity is not boredom


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with some more random thoughts....
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I find it odd that Wikipedia only covers "blue material" in terms of comedy. (Have they watched the "news"?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_comedy#Blue_comedy

P.S. --- Remember when "News" was related to journalism rather than just "Programming"?
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I may be a bit late to the dance, but recently discovered there was actually a routine based on this thread. I reread the first post and after finding out about it, now have it in my hands. Actually my key board is under my hands, and the props are at home.

I put a review of the effects in the Tricks and Effects section.

Harris
a bit slower on the uptake...but getting there
and still a bit 2 old to know it all.
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Wow! I'm getting emails from around the world. Respect isn’t extinct. Decency has a following!

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It is great to have a strong effect like this to add to my Dr. Laugh programs.

A couple of years ago, one of my mentors suggested bringing back some strong magic into the show. (which as some of you know is puppet heavy.)

I'm not heavy, I'm your puppet, said Nigel the puppet that rocks and talks.


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I find it very sad that people step on others so they can call themselves "classy". Blue material is only "blue" to a cultural setting. In our own western culture, the sight of a woman's ankle was once considered very sexual. As for Biblical examples, read the Song of Solomon. It is all about King Solomon lusting for a concubine, describing every intimate inch of her body (in very flowery language). If the one G-d has gifted to be so wise (King Solomon) had no issue, and our own fore-fathers deemed it SCRIPTURE . . . how can we be so hung up on the flesh? In my experience, the ones that make the biggest deal over something have a big problem with it themselves.

G-d created Adam and Eve, thus G-d created sex, he commanded sex (a lot of it too - enough to populate the earth). Why do we find it dirty - why do we MAKE something G-d created dirty? Why can't it be something fun? Why can we laugh at everything else BUT sex? I agree with Bob on this. It isn't for religious reasons.

Now degrading comedy is different then "blue" humor. I do agree, knowing the type of material to use at the occasion is important. Still, this thought that something G-d made, and commanded, is dirty . . . . well that thought is repulsive to me. It shows how far we have come from the garden. Adam & Eve were ashamed at their nakedness AFTER falling from grace - that should tell you something.

Now I certainly don't think anyone should do blue material - or should not. Yes, we have a lot of people who like to feel self-righteous by stepping on others, and so "blue" material may not be a very economical move in many instances. I also think that when you are being paid, you have an obligation to attempt to please those that paid you. If they want "yellow" (not blue) material, then you should try to provide that; if they want "blue" then you should comply too - or not take the job.
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I looked up Philippians 4:8, no disclaimer there that I could see, such as: "This verse need not apply to FCMers getting specifically paid to do blue material." Ouch, that verse kinda says it all, no escape clause in it to justify the use of raunchy material, no matter how funny it might be.

Personal aside (probably not really on point): When "Family Guy" first came out on FOX, it was obviously great entertainment to watch- especially for me in regard to all the obscure hip 1980ties pop culture references. Then I stumbled across the above verse again, and applied it personally (which is proper- this verse is not intended for only "super" Christians like Billy Graham). I stuck a little card onto my tv with this verse on it. I can no longer in good conscience watch any shows (like Two and 1/2 Men) which are blatantly designed to push the limits of soft R rated vulgarity. Even Seth M. acknowledges that is exactly what he is trying to do, push the boundries, including in his latest project "TED."

In my thinking, there is no way that I can see a FCMer could/should be doing "blue" material, ever. There is no appropriate time for it. The crystal clear words of the plain meaning of Scripture as to what we as Christians should be avoiding cannot be canceled out by the what the general public expects from an entertainer.

Of course I would agree KC that if blue material is what the person paying the freight expects, there is no way we should have taken the gig anyway. But in all my years as a part-time performer, I have never once been asked or expected to do "blue material." Even "Uncle Buck" punched the clown in the face who did not show proper respect for children age birthday party audience. Our "buyers" do not provide our moral limits, our allegiance to God and His Word provides the parameters. Solomon himself did not "end well"-see former LA Laker Jay Carty's excellent book on temptation (including sexual temptation) entitled "Counter Attack" (it is now retitled- see http://www.JayCarty.com or at Amazon). Lots of terrific http://www.youtube.com clips of Jay (now age 70), including his neato illustration of what it means to be filled with The Holy Spirit (see #005 where Jay is holding a picture of water and a water glass). Jay lives in Hawaii now.

I certainly am not above reproach in failing to fully guard my heart from the onslaught of lewdness that is ingrained in the entertainment industry, but I do not get a free pass either simply because I want to use jokes/humor as a normal part of my magic routines. A funny program that uses humor all the time yet is very much "Christian": Todd Friel on his daily radio program at http://www.wretchedradio.com
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Okay, Okay, I want to do a disclaimer on my post above. I did order Wolf's Magic "Pea Shooter" as I have some more kids shows coming up and I enjoy doing fresh material even if it's just for my own benefit of having some variety. I can only do Stat-O-Spheres so many times. One of the goofy lines is for the new Wolf prop at the very end when the giant pea ends up in the magician's mouth: "Aarrrgh, I have pea in my mouth!" That line is pretty gross, but I have to admit I may end up using it if before an audience of edgy 11 year old boys who find stuff like that, well, funny, even though... "That's snot funny." When I do Wolf's confusing arrow "Eye Can See", I have used the line too about having a pea stuck in my nose and then having to see Dr. Peabody. Got a laugh with it on the "Live on the Logos Hope" kids show on More Than Magic! #2 (see http://www.ChristianMagician.org) Not exactly high brow humor. I feel better, now that I've confessed this to you all regarding my lines not all being totally edifying... Smile
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MagicBus,

The good news for those of us who have raised teenagers is that it so refreshing to see something that begins with "whatever" instead of ending with it. (Philippians 4:8)

Bob
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Thanks for the Philippian's reference.

Had more opportunities to use your scarf to egg and 21st Century scarfs.

Getting better and I find more ways to make it mine.

love brother Harris
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I used a blue silk once.
I have never thought blue material was good for magic. The one time I got even close with a very remote inuindo, very remote, in a competition the judges shot me down so hard I learned my lesson. Christian beliefs aside, it's a cheap way to "try" and get a laugh and can backfire.
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Age, maturity, experience, culture, and level of sophistication of the audience apply to blue color as well as any other props and patter we use. Any props and routine are only appropiate for specific audiences.

Most of my audiences are college educated and accomplished adults. This routine works well there. There would be no reason to expect the naive to objectively deal with the routine. Just as I try to avoid mental effects for the ignorant and superstitious, fit matters. I live in Alabama and would be the first to confess that there are elements in our population that lack the sophistication to deal with some topics and effects. I have even learned that sponge bunnies can be done for an audience not ready for it. One size does not fit all. As professional entertainers, it is our responsibility to connect with the audience.

This routine has worked very well for me with my audiences. I'm sure there are audiences where it would not. But with 54 years as a professional entertainer, my tool box is loaded with alternatives. (I Don't Do Blue Material is one I keep nearby!)

Enjoy!

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I'm so happy I find so many fellow magicians who say "no" to blue material. I have been tempted so many times over the years to introduce into my act a few tricks that were not family-friendly. Acquaintances have asked me to do it, audiences have done so as well several times, but I refused again and again, and remained determined to show everyone that I can entertain them successfully without offending God, without going over my beliefs.
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Hi guys! Smile

In 1970, I did my first gig in radio. An AM station near Los Angeles. I remember the big rule there. You say NOTHING to offend, nor do "blue" material or innuendo. You could not say the word ".damn" on the radio back then!

In 2008, I was fired from my night time show at a big FM radio station, because I would not "push the envelope". My boss told me, "...an occasional 'slip' of a four letter word is OK." Whaaa? On the radio?? "Let the listener do it." I would record calls and requests off the telephone and play them back between songs. It was a Country station, so yeah, I did get a few redneck calls! Ha! Smile

I ignored the "suggestion" the boss gave. Sorry, you don't know who is listening! This is no joke, guys, when I am (was) on the radio, I imagine nuns and little kids listening. Might be, you don't know! When they terminated me, they said it was because I was nothing special! I haven't worked since. Just as well. They want "blue" radio at night? I'm outta there... Smile

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Class never goes out of style!
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LOL! Unfortunately Bob, "Class" does not pay the rent or buy food. I ended up in a homeless shelter for almost a year. I had to face the truth. At 56, up here in Maine, forget work in radio! Yet this morning I hear Viagra jokes and innuendo...

Look how popular Howard Stern is! Would I change my mind and make crude commentary NOW? For Stern's paycheck??? Yes, my friends...IN A HEARTBEAT! Doing "blue" material ain't good for a Christian crowd...the rest of 'em? They seem to LOVE it! Look at Comedy Central! Goin' broke for my "morals" was an EPIC fail!

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LOL! Is Viagra "Blue Material"? We know it is the blue pill.
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Doug, I see where you're coming from and I think we should all learn a little from your situation.
Blue comes in different shades. A little joke about something slightly blue is, in my opinion, not too bad. Yes, I would rather always do completely family friendly shows and present myself as a nice guy but it sometimes slips in.
Dark blue is very much out of the situationfor me: I don't swear, I always treat everyone in my audience with respect regardless of creed, race or gender, and never say things which might upset others - I try to play my performances with care.

We all can offend others sometimes without meaning to, we should take the best of care to not upset others but sometimes it happens. If we find we cannot perform without getting into dodgy areas then we should change career paths. This week I have had to reconsider my personal bible study, as driving home I was listening to Ezekiel and chapter 23 came along, I was thrown completely off guard when verse 20 popped up:
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
I was quite offended and that was a little too blue for me but hey, sometimes it's just the facts of life and we've gotta learn about it somehow.

Blue, with moderation, and definitly more of every other colour.

Ian
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