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sacramentohypnosis New user America 78 Posts |
Sorry Bob,
But with respect your Wrong, I've already told you it works, are you calling me a lier? I've already stated that I've used these methods to never have to pay parking tickets are you calling me a lier on that as well? And I've clearly stated that using the techniques related to commonlaw I have lawfully had several debts of the paste eliminated without having to pay back a penny (and its not affected my credit rating in any manner) - are you also calling me a lier on that? I've provided a link to videos which Proves (if you bother to watch say a dozen of them) that these methods do without doubt work exactly as claimed when carried out exactly in the correct manner = are you saying these videos are all fake and that all the court officials and such in them are actors? I think one of the people on this forum sums it up very well...http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=69622 I QUOTE: Statute Law only overrides common law to those subject Postby flowerMan » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:47 pm Statute Law only overrides common law where you stand under and subject to that particular Statute Law. For example, if you have submitted to stand as a member of a particular Society or Body, then you stand under and subject to its Statutes. When you are doing business in that standing as a member of that Society or Body, then the Statutes take precedence over any common law, because you agree it is so. If you do business that is unrelated and outside of the jurisdiction of that Society, for example on your own cognizance, then it is common law at which you stand, and the statutes of that Body has no relation to your business as a free man standing out from under its jurisdiction. On an earlier thread: http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8531 For a grounding in common law: 1. The Common Law - by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. 2. Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England Thanks FreeManAndHisDog and Scouser. flowerMan Bob, why not actually get hold of a copy of the book I mentioned earlier in this thread and take a read of it, then and only then when you've read it and taken some time to investigate its contents, I'm sure you'll actually realise that respectfully your the one who is misguided on this subject. The fact is Governments are Corporations (Public Limited Companies in UK) and we (if you choose to be governed by their rules which under commonlaw you do not have to so long as yu abide by all elements of commonlaw) are technically just their employees... It gets way more deep than that, I really would read that book if I were you and watch all nine parts of this video series - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D63uRYMl_Y&feature=fvst Your a truly great mindreader and I love all your books Bob, but I truly think your missing the bigger picture here.. If what I've stated is not true and corret why are literally thoushands of people all over the world becoming aware of this stuff, actually puting it to use and as a result overturning and avoiding unjust things and making debts dissapear legally and a whole host of other things that are happening no every day that people like you Bob say can't be done... Why exactly are these things happening if what I've stated is not true? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Whatever. I only practiced law for ten years, so I guess you must know a lot more about it than me.
You can quote anything you want from "Freeman" message boards. Just don't try it in court. You might want to at least read the REAL laws and cases that I cited earlier. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
LOL
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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sacramentohypnosis New user America 78 Posts |
And therefore Bob by practising Law for ten years you must have gone through
the law study and that's not surprisingly only available from institutions that ultimately are governed by the "companies" that want everyone to believe that they are, without any choice, subject to Statues. In otherwords you've been by your own admission (of having practised and therefore prior to that studied law) had to go through the brainwashing process of the "company rules" and obviously they were'nt going to educate you in the main fact of it all that nobody has to be subject to their rules, just so long as they abide by all elements of commonlaw. Abide by all elements of commonlaw and theres no reason (in the main) to ever find yourself in court and you won't be causing anyone any harm on any level... Whether you like it or not Bob, thoushands and thoushands of people are choosing not to be subject to statues (and that is their lawful choice under commonlaw) and as such done correcty they cannot be dealt with or subject to them any further.. Clearly all the people I know who've had debts abolished (including myself) and judgements thrown out or overturn as being unjust and not lawfully made are all talking through their bottoms as far as your concerned, but that does then beg the question of why all of these things are working on a regular basis for many people Oh yes that's right |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Like I said, whatever. I can't argue with delusions.
Timothy McVeigh was a believer in the sovereign citizen "freeman" movement too, wasn't he? As are many who are currently serving long federal prison terms for following their legal and financial "advice." Good luck. |
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sacramentohypnosis New user America 78 Posts |
Frauds and conmen in every "movement" but that does not automaticaly mean that the "movement" is not founded on facts.
Actually take the time to watch these videos (all nine parts) Bob and I honeestly do beleve you'll learn something = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D63uRYMl_Y&feature=fvst I predict you won't watch them though, because you've clearly made your mind up by your comments and are not prepared to listen to reason or investigate the truth (which would mean having to admit you are wrong) G on prove me wrong Bob, watch all nine parts of "Its All An Illusion" by British Man John Harris and then explain it all away to me, I bet you won't because if you do you won't be able to rationally explain the truths, facts and cast iron evidence the 9 parts of the video uncover, reveal and explain. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-04-22 12:02, sacramentohypnosis wrote: I watched two videos at the link you gave. The first one was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjv20sC5CY That is not exactly what I would consider a great success, but YMMV. Like the guy in that video, I can stand up in court and declare anything I like, e.g., declare myself King of the World, but that doesn't make it so. His case was NOT dismissed. He did NOT win (at least nothing in the video shows him winning.) The other video I watched was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9j03q1_-YQ The fellow is trying to fight a traffic ticket in court. Guess what? He lost. If you have an actual video of someone WINNING using these methods, please post a direct link to it.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-04-22 15:16, sacramentohypnosis wrote: Remind me never to loan you money, or do business with you.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You're right. I watched about two minutes of it and decided I have better things to do than listen to the rantings of deluded conspiracy theorists.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-04-22 15:44, sacramentohypnosis wrote: From your extensive history and that of your friends, do you have a citation to a case name/number where a judgment was thrown out on the grounds that the debtor was a sovereign citizen?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I already asked him for case law, but none was forthcoming. They don't recognize the state or federal courts anyway, so the only citation we are apt to get will be from a so-called "Freeman's" court.
I'm also assuming, since they don't recognize federal law, that they didn't bother paying any income taxes last week either. I'm sure, though, that we will soon hear that sovereign citizens are not required to pay taxes because they aren't covered by common law. There are, of course, a whole bunch of sovereign citizens doing federal time for tax evasion. I wonder if they also use the fake driver's licenses and registrations that they believe to be legal? This is a pointless conversation, though, because by the rules of conspiracy theory, anyone who denies that the conspiracy exists is, by definition, part of the conspiracy. You and I, Lobo, cannot understand that because we were brainwashed by corporate law schools secretly run by the Matrix. (That's only partly a joke - the screeds by "Sovereign Citizens" often cite the Matrix. Probably because it sounds more hip than the Illuminati these days.) |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-04-22 15:49, mastermindreader wrote: Including Wesley Snipes. Which is sad, because I loved his movies.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
So YouTube has recently been bombarded by all of this Illuminati stuff, and now there's this stuff here on the Café. Is 2012 paranoia aggravating these peoples' conditions or something? Is someone giving out free hallucinogenics somewhere? What's with all the crazy?
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-04-22 16:47, mastermindreader wrote: More 'winning' ... http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/W......3371.php http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.co......ison.php http://www.patrickpretty.com/2012/03/26/......-estate/
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Have you seen the men behind the curtain?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Practicing law without a license is statutory, so no concerns there.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Here in England one can have a McKenzie man.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
From the New York Times article about Wesley Snipes' sentencing.
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Mr. Snipes was a member of American Rights Litigators [a soveriegn citizens supporter], an organization founded by Mr. Kahn. Prosecutors have described that organization and its successor company, Guiding Light of God Ministries, as illegal tax-evasion schemes. “You may not accept it, Mr. Kahn, but you will serve it.” Pretty well sums it up. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Stand and Deliver – Your Money or Your Life.
Pretty well sums it up.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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