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rickmagic1 Inner circle MIddle Tennessee area 1544 Posts |
I heard somewhere that Vanni Bossi had a different idea for the insert in a Chinatown half. I've searched for the lecture notes this was in, but haven't been able to find them. Can someone help me with this?
- Rick
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
The only insert in a standard Chinatown half is filler for the hole on the Chinese coin side. Is this what you mean by "insert"? or are you referring to the china-bit?
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rickmagic1 Inner circle MIddle Tennessee area 1544 Posts |
Apparently he had a "new" idea for how to do the fleshy bit on the coin's center.
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
Check out coinovations DVD by Reed Mcklintock. Sounds like a similar technique.
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
The Chinatown Half that Ken Brooke used to sell was the best version that I've ever seen; in that they were quite easily separated so that 'the necessary' could be easily changed (white or flesh coloured paper; or, as Ken preferred, inserting a piece of a pound note/bill. As it's a money trick, his rationale was that it looked better to use a currency note than an envelope, handkerchief, etc.).
Unfortunately, Hopping Halves these days seem to be 2 half coins shimmed and bonded with superglue; rather than the old style of a shell and an insert that could be quite easily adapted to meet your own, particular needs. Considering that most commercial versions these days have a white disc of paper inserted, it isn't rocket science is it that this is going to get marked/dirty pretty quickly with regular use? Oh, hang on, I see it now..........we then have to go out and buy a new one!
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
I would love to have a Chinatown Half made in the manner you describe.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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rickmagic1 Inner circle MIddle Tennessee area 1544 Posts |
I'm guessing that the answer is, "no"...
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
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My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
Sorry for any confusion above where I typed 'Hopping Halves' instead of Chinatown half.
Mark - just an idea. If you have a shell/expanded shell, and a Chinese Coin that fits snugly inside, then you could make your own chinatown half. If the edging on the shell is too deep, it could be gently rubbed down so that it doesn't cover the entire edge of the chinese coin insert. I don't know why manufacturers don't make them this way any more - I must contact Sasco and see if............ooooops - too late! Rick - maybe the Bossi version is as described above? I've not found anything specific via a Google search BUT racking my brains over this, I can't think of any other way of producing a chinatown half other than the two ways now mentioned?
Barry Allen
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
The precision required for a good compression fit is going increase the cost from a manufacturing perspective.
In Coinovations, Reed indicates that he uses paint on a standard Chinatown half. There is a less complicated method. Just get yourself a magazine (with nice quality thick pages) that contain pictures of people's faces and find yourself a close match with the skin tone of your palm or finger pads (depending on how you handle the coin). Then cut out circles of the skin tone the size of the inner diameter of the Chinatown half and insert them into the hole. I have used this successfully on laypeople and magicians alike. If you handle the coins naturally and do not try to "oversell" the chinese part of the coin, no one will suspect.....
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
Barry, I may just do that. I like the flexibility it allows in that you can more freely show the China coin. Just an added touch, but a nice one.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I did exactly as Calvin described above. Remember to first place a Chinese coin on your hand in a few different spots so you can match the color perfectly. Notice, too, that the view of your skin through the hole in the coin is always several shades darker than the actual color of your skin. That's because of the shading provided by the sides of the hole itself.
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
IDK, Just covering the hole with your thumb while in transit is no biggie. What does the Layman think / see? I think we sometimes go out of our way TOO much, worrying about being caught.
Are you going to place the coin on a mat, thus using a black insert to create the illusion? Or substitute the coin? I am leery about using ANYTHING flesh colored as it seems to me too difficult to keep hidden or manipulated, too easy for "magician's guilt" to creep in. BTW, I have four sets of C/S/B with various types of Chinese half gaffs, so use what I like at the moment and adapt.
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Bambu Elite user California 498 Posts |
Using natural light take a few pics from your palm, print the pics using matte paper. Cut several small pieces of the pictures, select the best match and glue it ( use glue stick) to the reverse side of the chinese coin covering the hole.
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
Most of my routines are stand up so I either have the CTH in my open palm for a split second in a walk around environment or I am holding the CTH between my thumb and first finger with the thumb completely behind the hole and my first finger covering "half" of the hole. The coin is held at chest level with the hole facing the audience.
If you work off a table and have the hole black, you can always pick up the coin while completing covering the hole. As ATOM mentions, it is not a biggie and should not be a treated like a move. If it is treated like a move, then you will draw attention to it. Also, I never use glue or double back sticky tape. if you take the time to cut it out just the right size, it will stick inside the hole on its own. This is due to compression fit between the paper circle outer diameter and the inner diameter of the hole. However, if it makes you feel better to use tape or glue, then more power to you. Just remember that if you use your CTH alot, you will end up replacing the center of the hole. thus, you do not want it to be too permenantly attached.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
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On 2012-05-05 12:33, Atom3339 wrote: It is not a problem, per we, but it is an extra subtlety that is nice to provide a slight extra bit of mystery. And as it is so easy to put together, some feel that there is no real reason not to.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Calvin Tong Special user 718 Posts |
I think this is a preference thing with Magicians. I do agree that It is nice to show the hole since it can be shown. Also, we took the time to make it did we not? :o)
As for true laypeople, really does not matter to them in my experience. so why run if you are not being chased? either way (if you show it or not), its pretty cool. If you folks have not checked out Reed's routine International 3 Fly (I think that is what he calls it) you shold check it out on Coinovations.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
For me, the addition is so easy it does not qualify as ' running' but that also means its really not a big deal either way. Like you said, the magi's preference!
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Troels Loyal user Denmark 205 Posts |
"As for true laypeople, really does not matter to them in my experience. so why run if you are not being chased? "
Some day a curious, observant and intelligent person could be one of your laypeople. Why not be prepared? Give her an extra bonus. Troels |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
Just to clarify something here.
What manufacturer of ChinaTown Halfs do you guys have to be able to separate them? Like an idiot, I sold my Ken Brooke one a few years back and all I've been able to purchase since are coins that I think would still be bonded firmly together even if they were put dead centre of a nuclear bomb testing site! Is the aforementioned Ken Brooke design available somewhere that I've not seen?
Barry Allen
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