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Exitmat Special user 641 Posts |
I'm trying to get some ideas for combining mentalism into a hypnosis show. Some effects seem to fit perfectly, like "PK Touches," because they remain mysterious whether they're attributed to mentalism or hypnosis and remain unexplainable and astonishing in either context. I was just wondering if anyone here on the Café combines mentalism into their hypnosis shows and what effects they value in this context. Look forward to any suggestions. Thanks so much!
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I like to open with a bit of mentalism. At the moment I am doing a three envelope test, and sometimes a bank-night routine. I don't like bank-night that much, but it involves a number of people and is a good warm up.
The acts I admired growing up did an hour of mentalism followed by an hour of hypnosis. Keith Barry did the same in his last show, The Asylum. Kreskin does it too. It is a good way to go.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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Exitmat Special user 641 Posts |
Thanks for the reply, Tony!
I think I may have been a little unclear, but I like your ideas, man. Bank Night seems like it would be a great opening effect for a hypnosis show since it can be presented as a demonstration of suggestion. I like it! Basically, I'm trying to get some ideas for mentalism routines that can be done in the context of the hypnosis part of the show (with the hypnotized participants) that plays as sort of a demonstration of a "mysterious side of hypnosis." For example, using two hypnotized participants that are already on stage for a PK Touches routine. It's framed as an effect of the hypnosis phenomenon, but is still unexplainable because in the audience's mind being hypnotized doesn't mean you can feel the sensations from someone else. Mentalism effects that will make people think "I didn't know that was possible with hypnosis! That's like real magic!" I'm talking about mentalism effects that can't be explained with "Well he was hypnotized so he was just doing what the hypnotist said" because the structure of the effect cancels that possibility out. But that hypnosis is still the only theory they're left with because that's all you presented as the method. Another example would be doing a coin bend in a hypnotized subject's hand while presenting it as a suggestion to the participant that they're going to tap into the part of their mind that controls their adrenaline and strength. James Tripp also has a great presentation of the Invisible Deck where the subject walks around the deck and when they realize what the color/suit, etc. of the card is their feet get stuck in the place they "found that information." So the effects don't need to necessarily be pseudo-hypnosis routines--in fact combining the hypnosis with the magic or mentalism is even better! Anyhow, just trying to get some ideas going in this direction. That's the frame I'm trying to work with and a couple examples of what I'm aiming for. If anyone else has some ideas I'd love to hear them! Thanks again! |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Part of the concern is with hypnosis you really do not need mentalism or magic, and the hypnosis is much more impactive typically than any outside effects.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have never seen the need. It just seems to be unnecessary to me.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Exitmat Special user 641 Posts |
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On 2012-05-01 21:13, Mindpro wrote: Thanks for stating your opinion. |
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Exitmat Special user 641 Posts |
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On 2012-05-01 21:31, Dannydoyle wrote: Cool, man. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Which is not to say it is wrong by the way. Just not my style is all.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I can see it working. How about doing PK touches with a hypnotised subject?
I sometimes guide someone on a visualisation where they are given a card. I then remove my wallet and the same card is in my wallet (Marc Oberon's Bang On). It would also be good for a drawing duplication. Hypnosis shows are traditionally humourous affairs, but they need not be. You can add the mysterious. You should check out the works of Paul Bell (Voodini), particularly Midnight Side of the Mind. Very powerful, impactful stuff. His Kiss of the Clairvoyant routine has more impact for me than anything else I do.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Any command whispered in the ear of a hypnotee can be triggered later in the show. Use your imagination as to wat you could do to create the effect of a hypnotised subject being able to read the mind of an audience member.
Using forces secret gathering of info etc you could easily tell someone to reveal a piece of personal info whenever you ask a certain question,,, like "whats on this persons mind what are they thinking of? They then say it but look bemused because part of the suggestion you tell them they will have no idea how they know this and will be surprised. Plant the suggestion 10 mins before the effect and no one will ever suspect. I never got round to doing this but always meant to. I used to do mentalism as a warm up for the hypnosis. |
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Elliot Marx New user Australia 83 Posts |
Exitmat - this is exactly the direction my routines are heading... I've recently completed my NLP practitioner course and have long been fascinated by hypnosis. I too have seen James' Tripps' ID prsentation and think there's a lot of good material from his Hypnosis Without Trance that could be of use.
Interested to hear how this goes... Elliot |
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tiriri Loyal user Ecuador 247 Posts |
I usually do mentalism before my hypnosis show, and I don't see it as a need, I see it as an added value that increases the ecperience of the spectator.
Giovanni. |
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Withnail Special user 974 Posts |
The mancurian approach by Sean waters may be What you're looking for perhaps?
Yet again that oaf has destroyed my day
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Tommy Vee New user Boston 15 Posts |
Mentalism ads a nice touch to your show. It is used to 'impress' the audience. I used a tossed out deck or another routine that is a number prediction. Real easy to do, pretty impressive, right be fore your call for volunteers.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
How does doing a trick, "impress" anyone again? I think the hypnosis show itself is impressive enough.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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hypnokid Regular user 172 Posts |
I don't have many views on whether mentalism should be mixed with hypnosis or not. I think a mentalism 'trick' impresses because the part of the audience that know it's a trick can't see how it was done and the part of the audience that don't realise it is a trick think the performer must have supernatural powers. I can see how that might lead into a personal-power presentation of hypnosis.
It's unnecessary, but then so are decorative cushions and stripey socks. HK
Too much style to be a stage hypnotist.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I used to do a full show where the first half of the show was mentalism. It was before Derren Brown came along.
People paid to see the hypnosis but the mentalism went down really well and it made a good evening's entertainment. Hypnosis and mentalism do go well together for the right type of audience. Its not so much about impressing but entertaining. I wouldn't include the mentalism in some types of venue. But in the right ones its a great mix. |
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Exitmat Special user 641 Posts |
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On 2012-05-06 15:59, Dannydoyle wrote: No one in this thread is trying to convince you to do mentalism in your hypnosis show. It's not your thing--got it. Your viewpoint has been officially noted. |
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Exitmat Special user 641 Posts |
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On 2012-05-02 21:26, mindpunisher wrote: Nice idea, man! Just jotted a few notes on this idea. Thanks for contributing to the dicussion! |
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tiriri Loyal user Ecuador 247 Posts |
Some people might think mentalism is a trick, but last week I had exactly the opposite experience on national television, here in Ecuador, when I was asked to perform mentalism and hypnosis at the same time and only in four minutes, because it was live television.
So, while I was giving instructions for the mentalism, at the same time I was doing extremely flash inductions on five volunteers for the hypnosis. In the end it was a success, but some people commented on social networks that the hypnosis part of the show did not seem too real because it was extremely fast! Obviously they didn't know I had 10 minutes of pre-show before going live. So, I think it really depends how you focus it, because there are out there thousands of people that believe in the power of the mind. Giovanni. |
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