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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
Yes, of course, but all those things that happened, were as a result of what happened to him. It was sad that he made the sacrifice that he did. There was a lot of satisfaction and resolve, but there was a huge price paid. A victory yes, but a tragic death still.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2012-05-03 16:27, critter wrote: Boys don't cry, only men do. Back on topic... Who can forget that scene from "Good Morning Vietnam" (starring Robin Williams) showing the atrocities of the war while Louis Armstrong's "It's A Wonderful World" plays in the background?
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-05-03 22:58, Woland wrote: But the most important people, the family who lived next door, were there (except for the grandmother). They, and the pastor, were the ones who mattered. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I didn't find the sacrifice sad. I thought it was very well thought-out and executed. It accomplished the necessary result, and no one else was harmed. The absence of more than a handful of people from the Hmong community surprised me a lot. I'd have thought they'd have turned out in force. Perhaps the point was to show, that it did not matter if the sacrifice was appreciated recognized by anyone, it accomplished the necessary result.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I think the fact that the Hmong family came to the funeral dressed in their traditional garb showed a great deal of honor and respect, in direct counterpoint to the treatment Walter received from his biological family.
But, as I indicated earlier, I found the ending of the film to be uplifting. It had a sense of vindication, justice and respect for the protagonist who, instead of dying in a nursing home (where his family wanted to send him), went out as the true soldier he once was. If he had died forgotten in an assisted living facility, THAT would have been sad. Good thoughts, Bob |
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts |
As Time Goes By, Casablanca
Et tu, Spartacus?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Good points, Bob. I'm just saying that my initial reaction, when first seeing the picture, was shock that the Church was so empty.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
"It's a Long Road" from First Blood
"Suicide is Painless" from M*A*S*H
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-05-04 12:57, Woland wrote: I know. But by that standard I'd have to classify some of my shows as "sad!" Seriously, though- what if only TWO people showed up at Walter's funeral- the boy and his sister, both dressed in their full Hmong funeral regalia? I would have seen that as a triumph. It's not how many who show up that counts- it's WHO they are. Anyway, I think we both agree that this one one of Eastwood's best films. Easily one of my favorites. Best- Bob |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
It is also one of the rare films that tries to give a fairly accurate picture of what life is like for the Hmong in America. Those people have been through some serious stuff.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-05-04 13:37, critter wrote: Very true. Many of them sided with us in the Vietnam war and, as a result, were later forced to leave their homeland. Those who came here didn't exactly get the reception that you'd think an ally would deserve. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
There are a few around the old neighborhood. They keep to themselves and that's something that's valued in East Central.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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panlives Inner circle 2087 Posts |
In "The Last Samurai," Katsumoto's revelation as he dies is contrasted by the beauty and majesty of the Hans Zimmer score.
The perfect beauty of the Cherry Blossoms... The passing of a man, of an era; a code of friendship and honor...magnificent...
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time." "The dog did nothing in the night-time." "That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi Bob,
The history of the non-Viet mountain tribesmen ("montagnards") is very interesting. They played a role in the French Indochinese war(s), as well. And if you are interested in the betrayal of our allies in Vietnam, you might want to read Black April by George Veith (Encounter Books), which was reviewed by Mark Moyar in today's Journal: Quote:
Although South Vietnam's leaders committed some critical errors during the North's 1975 offensive, Mr. Veith says, the defeat cannot be attributed to governmental ineptitude—and certainly not to war-fighting incompetence. By then the South Vietnamese military leadership included many officers who had performed exceedingly well in repulsing the 1972 Easter Offensive and in large but little-known clashes of 1973 and 1974. During the final North Vietnamese offensive, South Vietnamese commanders and their units fought much better than has been believed. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Yes, Woland. It was pretty sad, regardless of anyone's position on the war itself.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Yes, all that was required to win were more troops and more bombing, just a little more napalm and a little more Agent Orange. Because ten years of dropping more tonnage than used in all of World War 2 was not enough; setting peasants on fire with jellied napalm was not enough; defoliating and destroying the countryside with a highly carcinogenic herbicide was not enough; declaring free fire zones where any living creature would be subject to death was not enough. Just when we were about to win...at least Gamblers have GA.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Speaking of the Hmong, an interesting read about the CIA, the Hmong and Heroin here.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi landmark, there are 2 sides to every conflict, aren't there?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
True, and we are but humble servants of conjuring.
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