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rowdymagi5
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Anyone ever notice how all their DVD's and Videos have the same audience members. doesn't matter if we are talking about Daryl, Bill Malone, or various others, same crowd.

Kinda funny!
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/me wishes I lived near L&L publishing! Some people have all the luck!
thehawk
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This was discussed before about the same members. Some like them and some don't.
Evan Williams
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I like them very much, but sometimes their reactions are almost too much. Like in the Jeff Sheridan manipulation performance, he simply flicked a card and caught it and the audience went CRAZY. You can see some of it here: http://www.magicproshop.com/videodemos.php

Again, I for one love the people in the audience and the way the act to the magician. I do not care for the over reactions though...
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I like the audience members of L&L. They are really funny and don't annoy me like some spectators do.
Jon Cook is my favorite Guy there. Smile
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That Jon is wild. Great reactions. I wonder if they work for L&L? Awesome if they're on the clock and watching magic.
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The reaction of Jon is so funny. I hope I'd have audience like him instead of just burn my hands.
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Not directed at anyone here, but...

There have been a lot of assumptions about L&L audiences over the years and for the most part they are poor, uninformed "opinions".

Let me give some first hand facts. The way these "over the top" people react, John, David, Janel, is who they are. These are not forced, acted, or coached reactions. Everyone who has performed at parties professionally for a few years knows that you encounter people with very expressive reactions to magic. These are the people who make your job as magician a real joy. These are the people you work to and the folks you want to interact with. It is a reality of Showbiz. These are the people who can help you create memorable images in people's minds through their infectious enthusiasm.

If you did Doc Dailey's Last Trick for any of these people, you would get the same reaction as you see on a video. That is unless your presentation lacks enthusiam for what you are doing.

It is also interesting to note how each very different performer uses and handles these expressive people. They can start to take over the show if you let them and as a performer you must either draw the line for them or somehow share the focus so as to honor them and honor you as a performer. That line is a personal decision each of us must draw and varies between not sharing the spotlight at all, to sharing it without reserve knowing darned well you are the focal point for all that is happening, even if just in the back of the audience's minds.

These shoots are an all day catered party. Yes, there is very much a "party atmoshphere" so it is no wonder people are enjoying themselves with delight. As noted the audience is largely the same from shoot to shoot. This means they are familliar with each other and that creates a relaxed environment which is also very welcoming to newcomers. Even under the lights in the studio people are chatting away during the breaks. When I go to a shoot it is a time to meet with friends I have not seen in many months and time to make a few new friends. The whole L&L team, from top to bottom, work very hard to create this atmosphere for the audience members, for the performer, and for the viewers' benefit. They should be congratulated on their efforts.

This is a very welcoming and supportive environment for a performer who is really deeply concerned about his performance to walk into. Many top performers have voiced their concern about the level of their performance given the studio situation and the fact that they are going to be judged by these videos for the rest of their lives. Think about that for pressure. Your performance on one day is how all of magic is going to judge you for all eternity to come.

Last but not least, I for one would rather see magic on video presented in its best light, not its worst. I have no concerns that the reactions I see on a video are what I should strive for rather than simply expect from my audience. Many of these performers have honed their presentaion skills for decades upon decades. You are not just getting tricks when you buy a live audience DVD. You are getting a study resource in which to repeatedly view and disect the presentational techniques of some of the best magicians the world has ever known. For me there is far more value in that than the tricks will ever yield.

Just my "humble" opinion. Smile

Cheers,

Tom
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This means they are familliar with each other and that creates a relaxed environment which is also very welcoming to newcomers.


This also means that the audience aren't shy to react to magic as they normally would. Smile
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This also means that the audience aren't shy to react to magic as they normally would.


Actually, this means they are not shy about being themselves, exactly like they normally are at a private party... my favorite venue.

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David is my favorite. I have done "tricks" for my audience taht have been done for David on video and the reactions are similar.


I like the enthusiasm of the audience on film. It motiovates me to learn some of the effects.

Chop Chop
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Thank You for the fantastic post Tom.

The same question seems to come up regularly (not just on this forum) and you pretty much explained everything.

Thank You.
Nigel McNaughton aka 'BathTub'
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So, even though the producers move the people who are reacting well (ie over-the-top) to the front, you don't think this creates an incentive for them to ham-it-up a bit? Also, they're going to ask back the people who react good, so of course they're going to ensure they have 'good' reactions, according to what the producers are looking for. And you never know who they're going to meet, so they're probably always 'on'.

They're only human; I'm sure they're acting. I'm not criticizing it, and it's great for the performers. With all the magic some of these people have seen, and they're still wowed by the simplest things? To be honest, I personally don't buy it.


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You are sure they're acting? On what do you base that? Have you ever met any of these people in person so you could judge their (assumed) "off camera" personality? I have and there is no difference.

As to wowed by the simplest thing, can you say "layperson"? Smile It's where the real magic is at.

But you agree you prefer magic in its best light. What is your point? Smile

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>You are sure they're acting? On
>what do you base that?

On being a reasonable person. If they ever do second takes, which they sometimes must have to do, they're going to be at least as equally enthusiastic, even though they've already seen it. Guaranteed. Otherwise, they'll get bumped to the back of the room, or worse, not asked back for future videos.


>Have you ever met any of these people in
>person so you could judge their
>(assumed) "off camera" personality? I have
>and there is no difference.

No, I haven't. But I'm guessing there's a difference between "off camera" and "off the set entirely". I could be wrong; but nobody in the world could be so enthusiastic about everything all the time. There just isn't enough energy in the body to do that without drugs.


>As to wowed by the simplest thing, can you
>say "layperson"?

Yes, they react as a layperson would. Do any of these laypeople ever buy these dvds after they come out, seeing as how they're so enthusiastic magic followers? Didn't somebody say that guy David is a magician?


>But you agree you prefer magic in its best >light. What is your point?

I think it's a nice touch and most of the time it's entertaining to watch their reactions. But, occasionally, not all the time, it's just TOO much (ie phony).

How about steering this another way on the topic of L&L videos? Who do you think has been the best host with the magician during explanations? I'd have to say Max Maven on the Tommy Wonder dvds. Both were equally brilliant in their insights. I wasn't as impressed with Jim Sisti on the Osterlind dvds, but he was still good. I also liked Michael Ammar on the Doc Eason videos. If the magician forgets things, the host is knowledgeable enough to ask for further explanation or adds additional insightful comments. I thought Jim Sisti just repeated a lot of what the magician said without adding too much.



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I like better the early L&L audience, especially the audience in Ammar's Easy to Master Card Tricks volumes 1, 2, 3, not so much because it was made up of more gorgeous members but because they sat around a table watching Mike performed card tricks in an intimate setting.

The later L&L videos show the audience seated for a parlor-type performance, even though the magic is close-up. Even the later Easy to Master Card Tricks of Ammar (volumes 4, 5, 6) have audiences seated as if watching a stand-up, parlor magic show.

Now don't ask me what's the point of this post. It doesn't have one. I'm just musing aloud, wondering about the psychology and logic behind using a bigger audience for mostly close-up performances. Smile

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On 2003-10-08 22:04, Tom Cutts wrote:
You are sure they're acting? On what do you base that? Have you ever met any of these people in person so you could judge their (assumed) "off camera" personality? I have and there is no difference.

As to wowed by the simplest thing, can you say "layperson"? Smile It's where the real magic is at.

But you agree you prefer magic in its best light. What is your point? Smile

Cheers,

Tom


He's from Cali, so he might be an L&L/ Falanga friend. Seems a little to supportive of the audiences?

Chop Chop
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On 2003-10-08 11:10, ChopCup wrote:
David is my favorite. I have done "tricks" for my audience taht have been done for David on video and the reactions are similar.


I like the enthusiasm of the audience on film. It motiovates me to learn some of the effects.

Chop Chop


David is probably my 2nd Favorite layperson in the L&L publishing videos.
He's a bit odd, but his personality is hilarious!! Smile
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David is a bit kooky, but truly mesmerized by good magic. I beleive he's the true bill!!!!

Chopper
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When I watch my videos (which I probably have done a lot more than anyone else) I am most happy with the explanation portion of each. We covered a lot of ground and gave (in my humble opinion) a lot of food for thought. I was most happy with Jim Sisti's help during these segments. A good host's job is not just to expound on his own magical convictions, but to keep the performer on target in explaining each effect and its proper execution. As a ranting lunatic at times, Jim did a wonderful job in getting me back on track and making sure each and every aspect of the indivual effects was covered. That is the real test of the host. I am especially grateful to him for his fine work.

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