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The Pianoman
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Hi all, I am having a bit of trouble with the move Roth does on Expert Coin Magic video One.

It's the part where 4 halfs are in the right hand then dropped into a finger palm position... then the right thumb pushes one of the coins off the top of the stack and places it onto the tips of the middle and index fingers ready for classic palming the top coin.

For the life of me I can't do this move, I end up with three remaining coins jammed inside of the two fingers trying to push the coin into classic palm, and basically it's a real mess.

It seems even more strange when Roth says that straight after doing this move you will need a "Good Classic Palm" due to the fact that the specs are looking at both hands together at the same time highlighting any obvious differences in the hands posture.

After doing this as suggested, I end up with a terrible classic palm that wouldnt fool anyone.

I hope I am not the only person that's had a problem with this move.

I have learned a h**l of a lot of new coin moves in recent months and I have learnt them without problems BUT this is just painfully difficult.

I know there are other means for accomplishing the same result but after all this is a beginners video and aimed at people with no previous experience.

I have Mike Rubensteins DVD so can use other techniques instead.

I have to say I wonder if this move was particulary suited for a beginners video.
Either that OR I have mutant hands.

Regards Alan

PS Apart from that, I think the Roth video series 1, 2, & 3 are excellent and have learned lots of great stuff from them, it's just that one move that's got me at it!!
Dan LeFay
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A Couple of days ago I tried to learn a fellow Roth's coins across (with shell).
He had the same trouble you mentioned.
I noticed that he could not push the coin in classic palm because the other coins prevented his fingers from extending enough to do this.
I advised him to hold the coin more in a fingertip rest-position instead of a fingerpalm. After that he managed to do it.
The reason seems to be that if you hold the coins more to the fingertips (as in rest-position) they won't prevent your fingers flexing towards the palm. If held in fingerpalm they will.
Let me know if this helps!
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The Pianoman
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Hi Dan, First of all "Thank God It's not Just Me!!!
It's very interesting to note your recent experience.
I am sure there are more out there who get stuck on this and get a bit disillusioned.

Regards and thanks


PS I have Roth doing a Shell Winged Silver routine on an All Stars Video #13... I only recently aquired a shell half so I might go back and try to get the routine learned.

I do a coins across out of Mark Wilsons Magic course using 7 halfs, and it utilizes a classic palm in a different way and it works better for me.
I learned it almost straight away and so now perform it quite well.
Martin Whetter
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Hi Pianoman. Winged Silver is one of my favourite routines. The move you are working on took me a while to get, but it did come with time. I did it by practicing sleight for about 5 - 10 minutes a day and then rehearsing the whole routine from start to finish a couple of times. Did this for a 2 - 3 weeks and it worked (I had a pretty good classic palm before I started though). Keep at it as the move you are learning will come in handy in other types of coin routines too. Good luck!
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