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Weisszach New user Manchester, UK 70 Posts |
Just recently decided to start doing magic again but then started to read about card mechanics, gambling and card manipulation. This is an area I want to start learning about (by the way I know this isn't technically magic). I have got some card work experience but wanted to start with the basics. I have been practising Overhand shuffle control (bottom car, top card, retaining and false shuffle), Riffle shuffle/control and the glide but not too sure where to progress to. I am currently using Road to Royal Car Magic to learn basic sleights. Any comments are welcome as I need to know which techniques are a most and advice on good learning material would be very much appreciated.
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Albatros Regular user Germany 132 Posts |
Obvious would be Erdnase, also the works of Jason England, Richard Turner, Damian Nieman and many others. There are already plenty of threads about this topic, using the names I gave you should get your search started. Good luck...
All the best, Sven ^^
"Palming cards... Like sex, it can be learned by almost anybody,but doing it well requires some native talent and assiduous practice." (John Scarne)
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mahucharn Elite user 418 Posts |
Definitely check out Jason England's 1 on 1 downloads over at Theory 11. Other than that, watching Steve Forte's Gambling Protection series may prove to be helpful.
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
There's a forum with a section dedicated to gambling magic and gambling moves, I'm sure reading through it you'd find a ton of good pointers to materials... I think it had a black and green theme of some kind? If only I could remember where I saw that...
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Weisszach New user Manchester, UK 70 Posts |
Nice to meet helpful dedicated magicians and mechanics. I was afraid that this forum would be full of self-obessed people with a superiority complex, how wrong was I.
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
Have it your way. Not being willing to make the effort to research and read through the tons of information readily available right here is a pretty clear indication of how serious you are about learning. Good luck, and hopefully for you there will always be someone ready to spoon-feed you the answers.
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Weisszach New user Manchester, UK 70 Posts |
The answer is in the tagline of the forum. Reading countless of off subject posts is pointless when all you require is a helping hand. Sorry I am not up to your high standards but always nice to meet a fellow craftsman.
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
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On 2012-06-07 11:41, Weisszach wrote: I don't believe Splice meant to read posts, but to study the literature that's been out there for many years. It may not be at your fingertips, but the search and study is how you get the knowledge and skill. ( I hope I didn't put words in Splice's mouth. If I did, apologies. ) |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-06-06 07:36, Weisszach wrote: I would think at your level, which is quite basic at this point, the cheapest and best way to learn gambling sleights would be to purchase a copy of "The Expert at the Card Table." There are a myriad of gambling type sleights in that book (seconds, bottoms, false shuffles, shifts, false cuts, etc.), and you will cheaply and quickly determine if learning these sleight of hand methods are really for you or not. |
splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
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On 2012-06-07 11:41, Weisszach wrote: Yeah, obviously anyone who wrote anything in the past 6 years here is irrelevant and cannot be of any help to anyone. All that really matters is who's ready to spoonfeed you today, because dammit, you're not about to feed yourself, that'd take effort. |
The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts |
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On 2012-06-06 07:36, Weisszach wrote: In my honest opinion, the Tabled Anti-Faro and the one handed Greek deal are a most. |
DavidGold New user 76 Posts |
A second vote for The Dowser, thoes are some pretty usefull moves, another good thing about thoes moves is that they are very basic and easy to learn hahaha
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Albatros Regular user Germany 132 Posts |
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On 2012-06-08 06:28, The Dowser wrote: How could you possible send him into the direction of the tabled Anti-Faro, skipping the one handed riffle stacking which is a foundation for the general understanding of the following, much harder challenges? All the best, Sven
"Palming cards... Like sex, it can be learned by almost anybody,but doing it well requires some native talent and assiduous practice." (John Scarne)
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
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On 2012-06-06 15:14, Weisszach wrote: I am quite thin actually.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts |
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On 2012-06-08 07:00, Albatros wrote: I skipped one handed riffle stacking because that technique (IMHO) is not "a most". The OP was very clear about wanting to know which techniques "are a most". |
Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
Im surprised no one has mentioned the double lift as there are countless uses for the move in Tasmanian 6 card hold em.
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Albatros Regular user Germany 132 Posts |
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On 2012-06-08 12:59, The Dowser wrote: O jeez... I completely ignored that part of the request. I stand corrected and ashamed and promise to do better next time xD All the best, Sven ^^
"Palming cards... Like sex, it can be learned by almost anybody,but doing it well requires some native talent and assiduous practice." (John Scarne)
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-06-06 07:36, Weisszach wrote: Here are some books I would suggest depending on what kind of gambling moves you are interested in learning and then "using". Keep in mind that most of this material was written by magicians, not card sharps. Expert at the card table, The card magic of LePaul (has great magic and some gambling moves) Marlo's seconds centers and bottoms (Might be useful). As Marlo's Deck Deception has his lessin out culls and stacks that I think are more useful than the Erdnase method. If you wish to entertain using gambling routines I suggest Harry Lorayne's Poker deal one and two, and his routine the magician vs. the gambler. These are entertaining routines (magic) with a gambling/card shark plot. Advanced gambling routine's you might want to get into the punch work (peg work) of Ed Marlo in the book Marlo in spades, Also Phantom of the card table by Eddie MGuire and the Punch letters by Ray Grismer. There is other info on the punch by others but I will leave you to dig around for it. Then there is shuffle work using the push through shuffle that might get you interested in the Steven's cull as in the Book Revelations by Erdnase and Dai Vernon. This was published in the 70's by Magical Publications and it also has a great cull in the first part of the book by Ray Grismer that in my opinion was worth the price of the book. That should keep you busy for a while. There are also many other books by Vernon and Marlo and others that have useful gambling moves and routines in them - enjoy digging and the journey. That should keep you busy for a while.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
Keep in mind Weisszach as I mentioned above that most of the books were written by magicians. Another great book that if you want to be a magician and perform gambling material for an audience is... The Jack Merlin book "And a pack of cards". Unlike other books this has in it Jack Merlin's gambling routine and how "he" presented it for an audience. This is a "little understood" art form and in my opinion there are few today in magic that understand the "art" when presenting this kind of entertainment as an act.
Also my suggestion of the Harry Lorayne routines are in my opinion very good if presented right to an audience. Try to keep in mind - if you do this misunderstood art form (by magicians and many card guy's in my opinion) as a show the thing should be sold as an "entertainment." And that brings me to a story that was told to me by Jack Pyle who was known in magic as the punch deck pro. Who did a stand up magic act, and for close up he did card magic and gambling magic and bridge and poker deals. When he was starting out he put together an act with props. It was a gambling act with holdouts, trick dice and a lot of crooked gambling props. Jack Pyle spent a lot of money on it. Well, the act did not sell - so Jack Pyle added magic and gambling routines and bridge and poker deals. The less "teaching of real cheating" he did and the more Pseudo cheating, magic and entertainment he did the more the act went over. Later on Jack stopped doing the "teaching/lecture of real cheating" and stopped bringing the equipment (holdouts, trick dice etc.) And just did card magic and his bridge and poker routines - and with that he became very successful doing that. And that is the story - good luck in your journey!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
Stoll New user 11 Posts |
I am also just starting so I do not have TOO much to say but I agree with Albatros in that Jason England's foundations vol. 1 and vol. 2 are wonderful and have a lot of really fun slight of hand moves that go beyond "and now we have a trick that involves 7 glides and 9 false overhand shuffles."
Best of luck! |
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